Transfer Portal and How It Has Changed College Sports

[Pokerbrat2000]

In April of 2021, the NCAA eliminated the rule about sitting out a year. Now, they have granted athletes a one-time waiver to transfer without penalty and with immediate eligibility. It has had major effects on the number of athletes that transfer.

What are peoples thoughts on its impact on college Sports and the athletes?

Personally, I think it is great for the Athlete. They aren't being paid and should be free to change programs if the one they originally committed to is not what they want. I do like the one-time only waiver, otherwise there just might be too much bouncing around.

Things I don't like about it, are the potential for Title chasing. Programs that are already at the top, will probably remain there, since there will most likely be more athletes wanting to transfer into a winning program, if there is an opening at their position.

All sorts or Pro's and Con's of the Transfer Portal. Just in football alone, 1,695 FBS players entered the portal in the 2019-20 cycle but after the eligibility rules changed in 2021, that number increased to 3,085 for the 2021-22 cycle.

 

[Voyageur]

What's muddying the waters most on the transfer portal is NIL money. It's turned it all into the wild west, and everyone is looking for the gold in them there hills.

Look at the University of Texas as an example. They're going to rise quickly. A booster group threw out a guarantee of $50k a year for each of their offensive linemen. Of course these kids will have to attend a rubber chicken dinner now and then, or visit Billy Bob and his oil buddies on their party barge on Lady Bird Lake to make it legit, but it's there. Don't forget about Arch Manning, who's already getting paid a million dollars a year, and he's just arriving on campus for Texas. He'll red shirt this year, count on it. Land hit the portal, and it's Quinn Ewers job for one or two years. He might opt to go to the NFL after this coming season. I'm not certain how much Ewers is making, but I do know it's substantial.

I do think Fickell is going to do a good job. I also believe there will be decent money in NIL for a lot of these guys heading to Madison. It may not be Texas and Oklahoma oil money sized deals, but it will be substantial enough that they can afford than a 15 year old egg beater for a car.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

What's muddying the waters most on the transfer portal is NIL money. It's turned it all into the wild west, and everyone is looking for the gold in them there hills.

Look at the University of Texas as an example. They're going to rise quickly. A booster group threw out a guarantee of $50k a year for each of their offensive linemen. Of course these kids will have to attend a rubber chicken dinner now and then, or visit Billy Bob and his oil buddies on their party barge on Lady Bird Lake to make it legit, but it's there. Don't forget about Arch Manning, who's already getting paid a million dollars a year, and he's just arriving on campus for Texas. He'll red shirt this year, count on it. Land hit the portal, and it's Quinn Ewers job for one or two years. He might opt to go to the NFL after this coming season. I'm not certain how much Ewers is making, but I do know it's substantial.

I do think Fickell is going to do a good job. I also believe there will be decent money in NIL for a lot of these guys heading to Madison. It may not be Texas and Oklahoma oil money sized deals, but it will be substantial enough that they can afford than a 15 year old egg beater for a car.

Great points on NIL and I think this is a case of one feeds the other. A rising star at a small or low ranked school, might be attracted to go to a bigger and more successful program, with big NIL incentives waiting. The transfer portal allows that to happen immediately.

I actually have no issues with Student athletes making money on their name, image, likeness and accomplishments. Not much different than the YouTubers at college that find themselves filthy rich due to sitting in their dorm rooms, making popular vids. I also don't really have an issue with the new transfer portal rules. Since they allow a student athlete the opportunity to get a fresh start at a new school and team, without waiting a year.

Both the new transfer portal rules and NIL are slowly changing the landscape of college athletics. The part I do not like is that I think it changes the competitive balance within most college sports. The top teams will attract more top players and the bottom teams will lose players that have risen to the top. How to fix or change that, is something that I think college sports will need to figure out soon. Maybe limit the number of transfers a team can sign each season?

 

[Mondio]

They just need to completely disconnect the schools from the football at this point. Build your stadiums, get your coaches pay your players. Finally the paid system for the NFL. Leave academia out of it. They aren't related anymore.

 

[Voyageur]

They just need to completely disconnect the schools from the football at this point. Build your stadiums, get your coaches pay your players. Finally the paid system for the NFL. Leave academia out of it. They aren't related anymore.

You do realize that will never happen, don't you? It's an impossible scenario.

 

[Mondio]

You do realize that will never happen, don't you? It's an impossible scenario.

of course, there's way too much money involved for now. I still think it's ridiculous what it's all become. Wouldn't care if it all came to a screeching halt tomorrow. what I once found very enjoyable in amateur sports has been infested all the way down to youth sports and getting worse every year.

 

[Voyageur]

of course, there's way too much money involved for now. I still think it's ridiculous what it's all become. Wouldn't care if it all came to a screeching halt tomorrow. what I once found very enjoyable in amateur sports has been infested all the way down to youth sports and getting worse every year.

It's pretty much been this way forever. I could tell you stories from over 60 years ago, and how it worked.

 

[Mondio]

It's pretty much been this way forever. I could tell you stories from over 60 years ago, and how it worked.

I'll take your word for it. I happen to think the tentacles are much more widespread these days. Wish it would have stopped at college instead of infesting high school youth sports too, but it is what it is.

 

[Voyageur]

I'll take your word for it. I happen to think the tentacles are much more widespread these days. Wish it would have stopped at college instead of infesting high school youth sports too, but it is what it is.

I agree. It is more far reaching than what it was. It's too the point of absurd. The money is outrageous. It's turned into a sham. And it's not going to stop anytime soon. There's too much money on the board for the schools to try to rein it in, without facing serious problems in the courts.

It's a simple plan. the rich get richer, and the poor pay for it.

 

[Pkrjones]

I initially thought this was a good thing, allowing student athletes to go to a "better situation" without penalizing them by forcing them to sit out a year.

Lately we're seeing the corruption involved with the NIL system & the transfer portal. Student-athletes now are deciding on their school based on NIL money offered. Also, students already in a program are using the transfer portal as leverage to either secure NIL $ from that institution OR using the portal to chase the money.

In just 2 years the corruption & ugly side of both are on full display.

 

[Voyageur]

I initially thought this was a good thing, allowing student athletes to go to a "better situation" without penalizing them by forcing them to sit out a year.

Lately we're seeing the corruption involved with the NIL system & the transfer portal. Student-athletes now are deciding on their school based on NIL money offered. Also, students already in a program are using the transfer portal as leverage to either secure NIL $ from that institution OR using the portal to chase the money.

In just 2 years the corruption & ugly side of both are on full display.

It's just starting to get ugly. It's going to get a lot worse. I've talked to people inside of this whole thing, and I have to tell you there are HS kids out there who already have verbal contracts to make millions (plural for a reason) of dollars a year from NIL endorsements, "if" they attend specific schools.

Most of it we're never going to hear about, directly, because it's private enterprise.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

No doubt both the NIL money and Transfer portal are here to stay and in my opinion, a good thing for a student athlete. However, as you guys are pointing out, both have some serious issues that need to be addressed. My suggestion for the Transfer portal is to cap the number of transfers that a team could take in. That # would have to be set for each sport.

As far as the NIL money, I haven't given it a ton of thought, but much like politics, it may ruin the integrity of many sports. Somehow they need to separate the Universities from the source of the money and cap the amount that each source can give to a program and possibly, set some kind of cap on how much a player can take in. Now I know that last part will set off a few posters here, but so be it.

 

[Mondio]

It’s going to set off the US court system more than anything. They are no longer student athletes. The only thing that prevents the ruin of collegiate sports at this point is taking back what is the university’s in terms of coaches and facilities and allow real student athletes to play in them and let the professional leagues go be Saturday alternatives to the NFL.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Case in point on NIL money....

College Football Transfer Quarterback Reveals How Much Money Programs Offered

 

[Voyageur]

How much do these kids end up getting? Depends on position, and how highly rated. That's for incoming freshmen. I've given an article on Arch Manning to look at. But, despite the article's info, I know it's closer to $5 mill in his pocket. Not bad for a kid out of high school. Sure beats the $78 a month I got from the US Army, that I got, then ended up in Nam. I'd take his route first.

then there's the issue of NIL deals being dangled for kids to enter the portal, to get them. It's funny how that works. You play for Bogey Tech, you get a free pizza now and then. But, if you go to Mega Bucks University, there's a new sports car, penthouse apartment to live in, and a neat little $2 mill a year in cash, for the rights to show your image for the building owner where you live, the car dealer, who hands you the car, and all the boosters for that school that want you to attend their off season BBQs, and schmooze with their friends, to give them a testosterone boost.

Want to stop it? How? It's called a right to make a living. It's going to be hard changing the whole thing. If you force it into an equal pay for everyone on a specific team based on their NIL deals you create an even worse mismatch, because the mega buck schools like the University of Texas, where a lot of donors still wear $20k gold nugget belt buckles will bury the average team in donations. After all, the kid is going to go where he makes the most money, in almost every case. In four years of college, a large percentage of these kids can be financially set for life, if they have a solid financial adviser handling things.

Imagine that? An 18 or 19 year old already making more money just out of high school, in 4 years, that will exceed what the majority of us out here will make in a lifetime.

Arch Manning Will Bring A $3.5M NIL Valuation to Texas

The future Longhorn had an NIL potential higher than this year’s Heisman Trophy winner — before he ever stepped foot onto a college field.

frontofficesports.com

How transfer players can take advantage of NIL opportunities

With the installation of the one-time Transfer Portal rule coinciding with the first year of NIL, college athletics have been revolutionized.

www.on3.com

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

How much do these kids end up getting? Depends on position, and how highly rated. That's for incoming freshmen. I've given an article on Arch Manning to look at. But, despite the article's info, I know it's closer to $5 mill in his pocket. Not bad for a kid out of high school. Sure beats the $78 a month I got from the US Army, that I got, then ended up in Nam. I'd take his route first.

then there's the issue of NIL deals being dangled for kids to enter the portal, to get them. It's funny how that works. You play for Bogey Tech, you get a free pizza now and then. But, if you go to Mega Bucks University, there's a new sports car, penthouse apartment to live in, and a neat little $2 mill a year in cash, for the rights to show your image for the building owner where you live, the car dealer, who hands you the car, and all the boosters for that school that want you to attend their off season BBQs, and schmooze with their friends, to give them a testosterone boost.

Want to stop it? How? It's called a right to make a living. It's going to be hard changing the whole thing. If you force it into an equal pay for everyone on a specific team based on their NIL deals you create an even worse mismatch, because the mega buck schools like the University of Texas, where a lot of donors still wear $20k gold nugget belt buckles will bury the average team in donations. After all, the kid is going to go where he makes the most money, in almost every case. In four years of college, a large percentage of these kids can be financially set for life, if they have a solid financial adviser handling things.

Imagine that? An 18 or 19 year old already making more money just out of high school, in 4 years, that will exceed what the majority of us out here will make in a lifetime.

Arch Manning Will Bring A $3.5M NIL Valuation to Texas

The future Longhorn had an NIL potential higher than this year’s Heisman Trophy winner — before he ever stepped foot onto a college field.

frontofficesports.com

How transfer players can take advantage of NIL opportunities

With the installation of the one-time Transfer Portal rule coinciding with the first year of NIL, college athletics have been revolutionized.

www.on3.com

Kind of reminds me when Amateur Sports/Olympics, finally threw their hands up and gave up on not allowing "professional athletes" to compete. The eastern blocks countries were creating "military units", that specialized in such things as Hockey, gymnastics, etc. and calling their "soldiers", "amateur athletes".

Let's face it, everything is now about money and prestige. With NIL, it won't be just about recruiting athletes to play for a school, it will be about recruiting big sponsors to pay the athletes.

 

[Voyageur]

Kind of reminds me when Amateur Sports/Olympics, finally threw their hands up and gave up on not allowing "professional athletes" to compete. The eastern blocks countries were creating "military units", that specialized in such things as Hockey, gymnastics, etc. and calling their "soldiers", "amateur athletes".

Let's face it, everything is now about money and prestige. With NIL, it won't be just about recruiting athletes to play for a school, it will be about recruiting big sponsors to pay the athletes.

That's exactly how it went. We were always sending our amateur athletes to compete against professionals, whose whole life was devoted to nothing but preparing for competition. That's why the 1980 U.S. Olympic hockey team was so important to our entire Olympic program. That was such an amazing ride to watch.

What made it even better was that Mark Johnson was so darned instrumental in beating the Russians, and winning the gold. A player from the University of Wisconsin, and the son of our hockey coach, the legendary Bob Johnson, who made the men's program a real winner. It's amazing how many kids he put into the NHL.

Those kids couldn't even get a free pizza to share. The Russians, on the other hand, lived like kings, with every perk known to them at that time, including the ability to take illegal contraband like Levi's back into Russia when they won. In 1980, when they lost the gold, and to the US, everything they bought in their trip to the US was confiscated at the airport as "illegal" to punish them for failing to provide the gold.

I'll take the route we've gone over the Russian and East German route any day. They weren't athletes. Over half of them were juiced with every chemical that enhanced play known to mankind.