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<blockquote data-quote="Dantés" data-source="post: 995338" data-attributes="member: 12283"><p>The tight end position is arguably the biggest roster hole for the Packers at the moment. This class is also loaded with tight end prospects. However, none of these prospects are slam dunks-- they all have clear strengths and some real questions. Here's how I'm thinking about it:</p><p></p><p>For reference on TE types or styles:</p><p></p><p>-Y: playside in-line </p><p>-F: flex/slot</p><p>-H: backfield move blocker</p><p>-U: backside in-line</p><p></p><p><strong><u>Dalton Kincaid, Utah</u>:</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>-Size: </strong>6'4", 246#, 32.6" arm, 10.25" hand</p><p></p><p><strong>-Age:</strong> 23 (24 on 10/18)</p><p></p><p><strong>-RAS: </strong>N/A (no testing)</p><p></p><p><strong>-Production: </strong>70/890/8 (12 games)</p><p></p><p><strong>-Style: </strong>F only </p><p></p><p><strong>-Why He Will Succeed: </strong>Demonstrates clear receiving traits to separate and find holes in zone; elite hands.</p><p></p><p><strong>-Why He Won't: </strong>Serious problems as a blocker; limits his usage.</p><p></p><p><strong>-Ceiling Comp: </strong>Poor man's Travis Kelce</p><p></p><p><strong>-Low End Comp: </strong>Eric Ebron</p><p></p><p><strong>-Note: </strong>I'm highly conflicted on Kincaid; he clearly has the most advanced receiving skills, but he's old, he hasn't tested (RAS highly relevant at TE), and he is the worst blocker on this list (matters in an MLF offense). </p><p></p><p></p><p><strong><u>Darnell Washington, Georgia</u>:</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>-Size: </strong>6'6.5", 264#, 34.4" arm, 11" hand</p><p></p><p><strong>-Age: </strong>21 (turns 22 on 8/17)</p><p></p><p><strong>-RAS: </strong>9.88</p><p></p><p><strong>-Production: </strong>28/454/2</p><p></p><p><strong>-Style: </strong>Y; <em>maybe </em>F on occasion</p><p></p><p><strong>-Why He Will Succeed: </strong>Keeps his weight under control to foster success as a receiver and dominates as a blocker</p><p></p><p><strong>-Why He Won't: </strong>Balloons up to 290# and is exclusively a blocker</p><p></p><p><strong>-Ceiling Comp: </strong>Rob Gronkowski</p><p></p><p><strong>-Low End Comp: </strong>Marcedes Lewis</p><p></p><p><strong>-Note: </strong>I am so tantalized by Washington. He played really heavy and then tested lighter. If he can dial in at ~265, there's elite potential there. But if he can't control his conditioning, he isn't going to be a very useful player. </p><p></p><p></p><p><strong><u>Michael Mayer, Notre Dame</u>:</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>-Size: </strong>6'4.5", 249#, 31.6" arm, 9.5" hand</p><p></p><p><strong>-Age: </strong>21 (turns 22 on 7/6)</p><p></p><p><strong>-RAS: </strong>7.62</p><p></p><p><strong>-Production: </strong>67/809/9 (12 games)</p><p></p><p><strong>-Style: </strong>Y, F, U </p><p></p><p><strong>-Why He Will Succeed: </strong>Both blocking and receiving translate, making him a complete TE who creates mismatches with ease.</p><p></p><p><strong>-Why He Won't: </strong>Lack of elite athleticism limits receiving upside and small frame means his blocking fails to translate.</p><p></p><p><strong>-Ceiling Comp: </strong>Pat Freiermuth</p><p></p><p><strong>-Low End Comp: </strong>Jake Butt</p><p></p><p><strong>-Note: </strong>I am highly skeptical that Mayer will be a great blocker with his frame. Comps to Witten don't make sense to me; Witten was significantly bigger and more athletic. If he's just an OK blocker, he isn't a super compelling prospect. </p><p></p><p></p><p><strong><u>Luke Musgrave, Oregon State</u>:</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>-Size: </strong>6'5.7", 253#, 32.6" arm, 10.4" hand</p><p></p><p><strong>-Age: </strong>22 (turns 23 on 9/2)</p><p></p><p><strong>-RAS: </strong>9.77 </p><p></p><p><strong>-Production: </strong>22/304/1 (2021)</p><p></p><p><strong>-Style: </strong>F, U </p><p></p><p><strong>-Why He Will Succeed: </strong>Will grow enough as a blocker to be passable and elite athleticism will allow him to be a downfield playmaker</p><p></p><p><strong>-Why He Won't: </strong>Athleticism won't translate to TE savvy in the short/intermediate passing game</p><p></p><p><strong>-Ceiling Comp: </strong>Darren Waller</p><p></p><p><strong>-Low End Comp: </strong>Coby Fleener</p><p></p><p>-<strong>Note: </strong>I am not against Musgrave, but I do think he will be a longer term project. </p><p></p><p></p><p><strong><u>Tucker Kraft, South Dakota State</u>:</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>-Size: </strong>6'4.6", 254#, 32.75" arm, 10" hand</p><p></p><p><strong>-Age: </strong>22 (turns 23 on 11/3)</p><p></p><p><strong>-RAS: </strong>9.67</p><p></p><p><strong>-Production: </strong>27/348/3 (9 games)</p><p></p><p><strong>-Style: </strong>Y, U, F</p><p></p><p><strong>-Why He Will Succeed: </strong>High end athleticism translates along with blocking prowess to make him a complete TE and mismatch weapon.</p><p></p><p><strong>-Why He Won't: </strong>Jump from FCS proves too much to handle.</p><p></p><p><strong>-Ceiling Comp: </strong>Dallas Goedert</p><p></p><p><strong>-Low End Comp: </strong>Daniel Bellinger</p><p></p><p><strong>-Note: </strong>I am sky high on Kraft; I think he will become what everyone wants Mayer to be. He's the only guy on this list that I've seen in-person and it was super impressive (saw Goedert live too and Kraft was more impressive). </p><p></p><p></p><p><strong><u>Sam LaPorta, Iowa</u>:</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>-Size: </strong>6'3.2", 245#, 32.1" arm, 10.25" hand</p><p></p><p><strong>-Age: </strong>22 years (turns 23 on 1/12/24)</p><p></p><p><strong>-RAS: </strong>9.01</p><p></p><p><strong>-Production: </strong>58/657/1</p><p></p><p><strong>-Style: </strong>H, F</p><p></p><p><strong>-Why He Will Succeed: </strong>Receiving skills flourish outside of Iowa's very limited offense.</p><p><strong> </strong></p><p><strong>-Why He Won't: </strong>Size limitations cap his usage.</p><p></p><p><strong>-Ceiling Comp: </strong>Chris Cooley</p><p></p><p><strong>-Low End Comp: </strong>Irv Smith Jr. </p><p></p><p>-<strong>Note: </strong>I think LaPorta is going to pay off big for some team as long as his length allows him to be more than an H-back. </p><p></p><p></p><p><strong><u>Luke Schoonmaker, Michigan</u>:</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>-Size: </strong>6'5.2", 251#, 32.9" arm, 9" hand</p><p></p><p>-<strong>Age: </strong>24 (turns 25 on 9/28)</p><p></p><p><strong>-RAS: </strong>9.86</p><p></p><p><strong>-Production: </strong>35/418/3</p><p></p><p><strong>-Style: </strong>Y, U, F</p><p></p><p><strong>-Why He Will Succeed: </strong>Low volume Michigan passing game hid his potential and he breaks out at the next level as combo TE. </p><p></p><p><strong>-Why He Won't: </strong>Not capable enough of a receiver to provide a real threat. </p><p></p><p><strong>-Ceiling Comp: </strong>T.J. Hockenson</p><p></p><p><strong>-Low End Comp: </strong>Luke Willson</p><p></p><p><strong>-Note: </strong>Schoonmaker would be right up there with the top guys in this class if he was a couple years younger.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dantés, post: 995338, member: 12283"] The tight end position is arguably the biggest roster hole for the Packers at the moment. This class is also loaded with tight end prospects. However, none of these prospects are slam dunks-- they all have clear strengths and some real questions. Here's how I'm thinking about it: For reference on TE types or styles: -Y: playside in-line -F: flex/slot -H: backfield move blocker -U: backside in-line [B][U]Dalton Kincaid, Utah[/U]: -Size: [/B]6'4", 246#, 32.6" arm, 10.25" hand [B]-Age:[/B] 23 (24 on 10/18) [B]-RAS: [/B]N/A (no testing) [B]-Production: [/B]70/890/8 (12 games) [B]-Style: [/B]F only [B]-Why He Will Succeed: [/B]Demonstrates clear receiving traits to separate and find holes in zone; elite hands. [B]-Why He Won't: [/B]Serious problems as a blocker; limits his usage. [B]-Ceiling Comp: [/B]Poor man's Travis Kelce [B]-Low End Comp: [/B]Eric Ebron [B]-Note: [/B]I'm highly conflicted on Kincaid; he clearly has the most advanced receiving skills, but he's old, he hasn't tested (RAS highly relevant at TE), and he is the worst blocker on this list (matters in an MLF offense). [B][U]Darnell Washington, Georgia[/U]: -Size: [/B]6'6.5", 264#, 34.4" arm, 11" hand [B]-Age: [/B]21 (turns 22 on 8/17) [B]-RAS: [/B]9.88 [B]-Production: [/B]28/454/2 [B]-Style: [/B]Y; [I]maybe [/I]F on occasion [B]-Why He Will Succeed: [/B]Keeps his weight under control to foster success as a receiver and dominates as a blocker [B]-Why He Won't: [/B]Balloons up to 290# and is exclusively a blocker [B]-Ceiling Comp: [/B]Rob Gronkowski [B]-Low End Comp: [/B]Marcedes Lewis [B]-Note: [/B]I am so tantalized by Washington. He played really heavy and then tested lighter. If he can dial in at ~265, there's elite potential there. But if he can't control his conditioning, he isn't going to be a very useful player. [B][U]Michael Mayer, Notre Dame[/U]: -Size: [/B]6'4.5", 249#, 31.6" arm, 9.5" hand [B]-Age: [/B]21 (turns 22 on 7/6) [B]-RAS: [/B]7.62 [B]-Production: [/B]67/809/9 (12 games) [B]-Style: [/B]Y, F, U [B]-Why He Will Succeed: [/B]Both blocking and receiving translate, making him a complete TE who creates mismatches with ease. [B]-Why He Won't: [/B]Lack of elite athleticism limits receiving upside and small frame means his blocking fails to translate. [B]-Ceiling Comp: [/B]Pat Freiermuth [B]-Low End Comp: [/B]Jake Butt [B]-Note: [/B]I am highly skeptical that Mayer will be a great blocker with his frame. Comps to Witten don't make sense to me; Witten was significantly bigger and more athletic. If he's just an OK blocker, he isn't a super compelling prospect. [B][U]Luke Musgrave, Oregon State[/U]: -Size: [/B]6'5.7", 253#, 32.6" arm, 10.4" hand [B]-Age: [/B]22 (turns 23 on 9/2) [B]-RAS: [/B]9.77 [B]-Production: [/B]22/304/1 (2021) [B]-Style: [/B]F, U [B]-Why He Will Succeed: [/B]Will grow enough as a blocker to be passable and elite athleticism will allow him to be a downfield playmaker [B]-Why He Won't: [/B]Athleticism won't translate to TE savvy in the short/intermediate passing game [B]-Ceiling Comp: [/B]Darren Waller [B]-Low End Comp: [/B]Coby Fleener -[B]Note: [/B]I am not against Musgrave, but I do think he will be a longer term project. [B][U]Tucker Kraft, South Dakota State[/U]: -Size: [/B]6'4.6", 254#, 32.75" arm, 10" hand [B]-Age: [/B]22 (turns 23 on 11/3) [B]-RAS: [/B]9.67 [B]-Production: [/B]27/348/3 (9 games) [B]-Style: [/B]Y, U, F [B]-Why He Will Succeed: [/B]High end athleticism translates along with blocking prowess to make him a complete TE and mismatch weapon. [B]-Why He Won't: [/B]Jump from FCS proves too much to handle. [B]-Ceiling Comp: [/B]Dallas Goedert [B]-Low End Comp: [/B]Daniel Bellinger [B]-Note: [/B]I am sky high on Kraft; I think he will become what everyone wants Mayer to be. He's the only guy on this list that I've seen in-person and it was super impressive (saw Goedert live too and Kraft was more impressive). [B][U]Sam LaPorta, Iowa[/U]: -Size: [/B]6'3.2", 245#, 32.1" arm, 10.25" hand [B]-Age: [/B]22 years (turns 23 on 1/12/24) [B]-RAS: [/B]9.01 [B]-Production: [/B]58/657/1 [B]-Style: [/B]H, F [B]-Why He Will Succeed: [/B]Receiving skills flourish outside of Iowa's very limited offense. [B] -Why He Won't: [/B]Size limitations cap his usage. [B]-Ceiling Comp: [/B]Chris Cooley [B]-Low End Comp: [/B]Irv Smith Jr. -[B]Note: [/B]I think LaPorta is going to pay off big for some team as long as his length allows him to be more than an H-back. [B][U]Luke Schoonmaker, Michigan[/U]: -Size: [/B]6'5.2", 251#, 32.9" arm, 9" hand -[B]Age: [/B]24 (turns 25 on 9/28) [B]-RAS: [/B]9.86 [B]-Production: [/B]35/418/3 [B]-Style: [/B]Y, U, F [B]-Why He Will Succeed: [/B]Low volume Michigan passing game hid his potential and he breaks out at the next level as combo TE. [B]-Why He Won't: [/B]Not capable enough of a receiver to provide a real threat. [B]-Ceiling Comp: [/B]T.J. Hockenson [B]-Low End Comp: [/B]Luke Willson [B]-Note: [/B]Schoonmaker would be right up there with the top guys in this class if he was a couple years younger. [/QUOTE]
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