Thurs Bears game: Stopping Howard will be Key

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FWIW just let me throw out a name here. Michael Oher, who has started a total of 110 games in the league and even won a Super Bowl playing left tackle for the Ravens, definitely would be an upgrade over any of the options currently on the roster.

I think this is pretty current, but I don't claim to know anything at all about other teams. It does, however, list Oher, so it might be fairly current. If not, feel free to delete.

Player Pos. Team Note
Givens Price OT ARI
Jonathan McLaughlin OT ARI
Andreas Knappe OT ATL
Kevin Graf OT ATL
Larson Graham OT ATL
Wil Freeman OT ATL
Roubbens Joseph OT BAL
Cameron Jefferson OT BUF
Michael Ola OT BUF
Michael Oher OT CAR
Pearce Slater OT CAR
Mike Adams OT CHI
Eric Winston OT CIN
Landon Lechler OT CIN
Darryl Baldwin OT DAL
Levon Myers OT DAL
Cyrus Kouandjio OT DET
Nick Becton OT DET
Pierce Burton OT DET
Robert Leff OT GB
Dimitric Camiel OT HOU
Laurence Gibson OT HOU
Terry Poole OT HOU
Arturo Uzdavinis OT IND
Fahn Cooper OT IND
Branden Albert OT JAX
Colin Kelly OT JAX
Jeremiah Poutasi OT JAX
Josh James OT KC
King Dunlap OT LAC Retired
Mason Zandi OT LAC
Michael Dunn OT LAR
Avery Young OT MIA
Kwayde Miller OT MIA
Austin Shepherd OT MIN
Jake Long OT MIN Retired
Nick Fett OT MIN
Reid Fragel OT MIN
Max Rich OT NE
Sebastian Vollmer OT NE Retired
Jerry Ugokwe OT NO
Khalif Barnes OT NO
Michael Bowie OT NYG
Will Beatty OT NYG
Chris Bordelon OT NYJ
Javarius Leamon OT NYJ
Jeff Adams OT NYJ
Ryan Clady OT NYJ Retired
Chauncey Briggs OT OAK
Victor Salako OT PHI
Jake Rodgers OT PIT
Keavon Milton OT PIT
Tyler Johnstone OT SD
Darrell Brown OT SEA
Andrew Lauderdale OT SF
Norman Price OT SF
Austin Albrecht OT TB
Cole Gardner OT TB
Gosder Cherilus OT TB Retired
Korren Kirven OT TB
Jonah Pirsig OT TEN
Steven Moore OT TEN
Houston Bates OT WAS
John Kling OT WAS
Kendall Pace OT WAS

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I think this is pretty current, but I don't claim to know anything at all about other teams. It does, however, list Oher, so it might be fairly current. If not, feel free to delete.

Player Pos. Team Note
Givens Price OT ARI
Jonathan McLaughlin OT ARI
Andreas Knappe OT ATL
Kevin Graf OT ATL
Larson Graham OT ATL
Wil Freeman OT ATL
Roubbens Joseph OT BAL
Cameron Jefferson OT BUF
Michael Ola OT BUF
Michael Oher OT CAR
Pearce Slater OT CAR
Mike Adams OT CHI
Eric Winston OT CIN
Landon Lechler OT CIN
Darryl Baldwin OT DAL
Levon Myers OT DAL
Cyrus Kouandjio OT DET
Nick Becton OT DET
Pierce Burton OT DET
Robert Leff OT GB
Dimitric Camiel OT HOU
Laurence Gibson OT HOU
Terry Poole OT HOU
Arturo Uzdavinis OT IND
Fahn Cooper OT IND
Branden Albert OT JAX
Colin Kelly OT JAX
Jeremiah Poutasi OT JAX
Josh James OT KC
King Dunlap OT LAC Retired
Mason Zandi OT LAC
Michael Dunn OT LAR
Avery Young OT MIA
Kwayde Miller OT MIA
Austin Shepherd OT MIN
Jake Long OT MIN Retired
Nick Fett OT MIN
Reid Fragel OT MIN
Max Rich OT NE
Sebastian Vollmer OT NE Retired
Jerry Ugokwe OT NO
Khalif Barnes OT NO
Michael Bowie OT NYG
Will Beatty OT NYG
Chris Bordelon OT NYJ
Javarius Leamon OT NYJ
Jeff Adams OT NYJ
Ryan Clady OT NYJ Retired
Chauncey Briggs OT OAK
Victor Salako OT PHI
Jake Rodgers OT PIT
Keavon Milton OT PIT
Tyler Johnstone OT SD
Darrell Brown OT SEA
Andrew Lauderdale OT SF
Norman Price OT SF
Austin Albrecht OT TB
Cole Gardner OT TB
Gosder Cherilus OT TB Retired
Korren Kirven OT TB
Jonah Pirsig OT TEN
Steven Moore OT TEN
Houston Bates OT WAS
John Kling OT WAS
Kendall Pace OT WAS

There are definitely several names on the list that would present an upgrade over the "tackles" currently on the Packers roster.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I think this is pretty current, but I don't claim to know anything at all about other teams. It does, however, list Oher, so it might be fairly current. If not, feel free to delete.

Player Pos. Team Note
Givens Price OT ARI
Jonathan McLaughlin OT ARI
Andreas Knappe OT ATL
Kevin Graf OT ATL
Larson Graham OT ATL
Wil Freeman OT ATL
Roubbens Joseph OT BAL
Cameron Jefferson OT BUF
Michael Ola OT BUF
Michael Oher OT CAR
Pearce Slater OT CAR
Mike Adams OT CHI
Eric Winston OT CIN
Landon Lechler OT CIN
Darryl Baldwin OT DAL
Levon Myers OT DAL
Cyrus Kouandjio OT DET
Nick Becton OT DET
Pierce Burton OT DET
Robert Leff OT GB
Dimitric Camiel OT HOU
Laurence Gibson OT HOU
Terry Poole OT HOU
Arturo Uzdavinis OT IND
Fahn Cooper OT IND
Branden Albert OT JAX
Colin Kelly OT JAX
Jeremiah Poutasi OT JAX
Josh James OT KC
King Dunlap OT LAC Retired
Mason Zandi OT LAC
Michael Dunn OT LAR
Avery Young OT MIA
Kwayde Miller OT MIA
Austin Shepherd OT MIN
Jake Long OT MIN Retired
Nick Fett OT MIN
Reid Fragel OT MIN
Max Rich OT NE
Sebastian Vollmer OT NE Retired
Jerry Ugokwe OT NO
Khalif Barnes OT NO
Michael Bowie OT NYG
Will Beatty OT NYG
Chris Bordelon OT NYJ
Javarius Leamon OT NYJ
Jeff Adams OT NYJ
Ryan Clady OT NYJ Retired
Chauncey Briggs OT OAK
Victor Salako OT PHI
Jake Rodgers OT PIT
Keavon Milton OT PIT
Tyler Johnstone OT SD
Darrell Brown OT SEA
Andrew Lauderdale OT SF
Norman Price OT SF
Austin Albrecht OT TB
Cole Gardner OT TB
Gosder Cherilus OT TB Retired
Korren Kirven OT TB
Jonah Pirsig OT TEN
Steven Moore OT TEN
Houston Bates OT WAS
John Kling OT WAS
Kendall Pace OT WAS

Thanks HE......looks like there is absolutely "nobody" out there that could improve the Packers on the OL or their current decimated depth. Because if the Cowboys won't trade Tyron Smith or the Eagles won't give up Jason Peters, I guess we are just screwed and "next man up", can Janis play at LT?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

There are definitely several names on the list that would present an upgrade over the "tackles" currently on the Packers roster.

Stop dreaming......it's impossible to upgrade now, the season has started!

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

yes, let's trade, for who? Devlopment player? nice choice LOL Let's trade picks for development players. a bona fide tackle? and we already have investments in BahkT and Bulaga, so you're eating one of them, trading big picks and big money for a hopefully soon to be back up? Nice choice LOL

Your points are really good, if all you are looking for is one of the best Tackles in the league, do we need that? No Or you are looking at obtaining garbage that isn't better than the inexperienced "garbage" we are already forced to play with. What your points don't include are the numerous players available in between your two extremes. Your extremes help to make your point, but they don't convince me that there aren't options for the Packers other than the one you are implying, stick your head in the sand and say "nothing we can do."

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Like captain alluded to, Montgomery's workload has been quite heavy in the 1st three games. I would prefer for Williams to get a lot of the carries tonight, particularly with it being on a short week. If the team thinks Montgomery is an essential piece moving forward, I think it makes a lot of sense to reduce his workload. And in a game where ideally the Packers would prefer to rely more upon the running game, I think it makes plenty of sense to at least split some of the backfield work between Montgomery and Williams.

Williams is obviously more of a pure RB than Montgomery, and this is a game where I feel as if he could play a nice role.

Not to mention, Montgomery's 3.0 yards per rush attempt is pedestrian at best. Additionally, Williams is considerably better in pass protection than Montgomery, which could prove valuable in a game in which the Packers will feature a makeshift offensive line.

I don't know that it's "obvious" that he's a better pass blocker other than people just assuming that he blocked in college so he's automatically better, or that Ty's pass blocking was poor last year, when he had not had an entire offseason to get used to pass blocking (let's remember he was switched from WR to RB mid-season). PFF actually grades Ty as the better pass blocker for what that's worth, though the sample size isn't big for either; Ty has 37 snaps pass blocking while Williams only has 3. Not real sure I think 41 rushing attempts is enough to worry about the yards per carry and, as I've pointed out before, Ty isn't a small guy, touching the ball 20 times per game shouldn't be an issue for him. He's about the same size as Todd Gurley. Now, I'm all for giving Williams more carries, I just hope it's because the Packers are "running away" with the game and killing the clock with a ton of run plays.

Another factor at play is that the Packers have the fourth fewest rushing attempts in the NFL and two of the teams with fewer are the Dolphins and Bucs, who have played one fewer game. The Packers just don't run the ball enough to give a second RB that many more carries.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

I am very doubtful that the offense will be able to put up a lot of points, not with the OL the way it is. We know that McCray will be starting but we don't know who the other tackle will be....at least I don't think that they have announced that yet.

They will have to design some roll-outs for Rodgers a give these guys help with protections. We can't have Aaron keep getting all the sacks. He broke his collarbone in a Bears' game.

I don't know how good their DL is. But they can't presume anything.

If they win, I think it will be close.

Hicks, defensive lineman for Bears, was added to the injury report this morning. If he's out, the Bears defense is going to be even worse. I don't care who the tackles are, this offense should be able to put up a lot of points with random fans playing tackle.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I don't know that it's "obvious" that he's a better pass blocker other than people just assuming that he blocked in college so he's automatically better, or that his pass blocking was poor last year, when he had not had an entire offseason to get used to pass blocking (let's remember he was switched from WR to RB mid-season). PFF actually grades Ty as the better pass blocker for what that's worth, though the sample size isn't big for either; Ty has 37 snaps pass blocking while Williams only has 3. Not real sure I think 41 rushing attempts is enough to worry about the yards per carry and, as I've pointed out before, Ty isn't a small guy, touching the ball 20 times per game shouldn't be an issue for him. He's about the same size as Todd Gurley. Now, I'm all for giving Williams more carries, I just hope it's because the Packers are "running away" with the game and killing the clock with a ton of run plays.

Another factor at play is that the Packers have the fourth fewest rushing attempts in the NFL and two of the teams with fewer are the Dolphins and Bucs, who have played one fewer game. The Packers just don't run the ball enough to give a second RB that many more carries.

Yet Montgomery leads all other running backs in snaps played by a wide margin. It might be smart to reduce his playing time going forward.

 

[PackAttack12]

I don't know that it's "obvious" that he's a better pass blocker other than people just assuming that he blocked in college so he's automatically better, or that Ty's pass blocking was poor last year, when he had not had an entire offseason to get used to pass blocking (let's remember he was switched from WR to RB mid-season). PFF actually grades Ty as the better pass blocker for what that's worth, though the sample size isn't big for either; Ty has 37 snaps pass blocking while Williams only has 3. Not real sure I think 41 rushing attempts is enough to worry about the yards per carry and, as I've pointed out before, Ty isn't a small guy, touching the ball 20 times per game shouldn't be an issue for him. He's about the same size as Todd Gurley. Now, I'm all for giving Williams more carries, I just hope it's because the Packers are "running away" with the game and killing the clock with a ton of run plays.

Another factor at play is that the Packers have the fourth fewest rushing attempts in the NFL and two of the teams with fewer are the Dolphins and Bucs, who have played one fewer game. The Packers just don't run the ball enough to give a second RB that many more carries.

I mean, if you want to bring up PFF's grades on pass blocking with a small sample size, certainly we can bring up Williams' rush per attempt is at 4.2 v.s. 3.0 for Montgomery. I don't put any weight into that, because Williams has only rushed the ball 4 times. But it makes about as much sense as you trusting PFF's grade for pass blocking.

I'm basing my opinion on Williams' pass blocking off of what I seen him produce in college, albeit sparingly as I didn't watch every game, and based on what the coaching staff and Rodgers and others have pointed out during the offseason, and based on what I've seen from Montgomery with my own eyes through the first 3 games. He's almost gotten ARod killed on multiple occasions where he's either failed to pick up a blitzer when he should have (not understanding what his responsibility is), or totally demonstrating a lack of skill to effectively keep the blitzer in question from reaching Rodgers' grill when he does pick it up.

I think if nothing else, Williams needs to see some more action either through getting an entire drive, or by rotating in and out with Montgomery. I don't feel comfortable with Ty's current work load, and again, in a short week, I think it would be the smart move to give Williams more snaps.

 

[Mondio]

I can promise the Packers aren't sticking their heads in the sand.

Thanks HE......looks like there is absolutely "nobody" out there that could improve the Packers on the OL or their current decimated depth. Because if the Cowboys won't trade Tyron Smith or the Eagles won't give up Jason Peters, I guess we are just screwed and "next man up", can Janis play at LT?

except there are lots of guys that can play better than what we have now. You see, as much as you think you know what i'm getting at you don't. We're past our depth. I don't care that you don't like Spriggs. It's fine, argue that point all year long. I don't care anymore as nobody will prove their "right" or wrong" until he gets a chance to play on the field again.

The reality we're in is that you could have had Boscelli, Pace, Clifton, Tauscher and BahkT and they'd all be out. Expecting a team to have Bulaga and Thomas behind them in the development spots is ridiculous. You don't think the depth guys were good, that's fine. We beat the seahhawks with one of those depth guys, which is exactly what teams plan for. Losing a guy here and there at times thru the year. Not both starting tackles and then both backup tackles. Our depth performed just fine. We're not into depth anymore, we're into the bottom of the barrel development guys.

your argument is, there is someone better out there, well no ****. We're talking about probably the hardest position behind QB to fill with quality players. Teams don't often have 2 good starters let alone more. Guys like Spriggs are the guys that are 2nd in line, like Spriggs was. You hate spriggs and think he's a bust. But now you want to trade for someone like him? or worse? because that's what will be happening. If they like someone enough to do it, i'm fine with it. But beating a point that Ted isn't somehow doing his job because we're not 7 tackles deep is crazy. and we're not screwed. In case you haven't noticed, we're 2-1 and maybe getting 1 starting tackle back this week, if not the most important piece will be back in 10 days.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

The reality we're in is that you could have had Boscelli, Pace, Clifton, Tauscher and BahkT and they'd all be out. Expecting a team to have Bulaga and Thomas behind them in the development spots is ridiculous. You don't think the depth guys were good, that's fine. We beat the seahhawks with one of those depth guys, which is exactly what teams plan for. Losing a guy here and there at times thru the year. Not both starting tackles and then both backup tackles. Our depth performed just fine. We're not into depth anymore, we're into the bottom of the barrel development guys.

You just don't get it, eh??? Nobody is asking Thompson to equivalently replace Bakhtiari or Bulaga as we're well aware that's impossible. There are better options currently available than McCray, Pankey or John though.

 

[PackAttack12]

Thanks HE......looks like there is absolutely "nobody" out there that could improve the Packers on the OL or their current decimated depth. Because if the Cowboys won't trade Tyron Smith or the Eagles won't give up Jason Peters, I guess we are just screwed and "next man up", can Janis play at LT?

Janis has a hard enough time playing WR.

 

[Carl 2]

FWIW just let me throw out a name here. Michael Oher, who has started a total of 110 games in the league and even won a Super Bowl playing left tackle for the Ravens, definitely would be an upgrade over any of the options currently on the roster.

If he's better, why can't he find a team? Or why would the Packers pass on him for a Cardinal's practice squad player?

Plus, he ended his last season on IR after 3 games and then couldn't pass a physical this past off season due to a concussion.

Highly doubt the Packers would even consider him with how his season ended considering it's very similar to Sam Shields.

There's no way to guarantee Oher would be better, if he could even play again.

 

[OldSchool101]

This could very well be the turning of the tide for these 2 franchises.

http://www.packers.com/news-and-eve...rs-Bears/3282c341-7b61-4d0f-8376-6c84ad43f42f

 

[RRyder]

Your points are really good, if all you are looking for is one of the best Tackles in the league, do we need that? No Or you are looking at obtaining garbage that isn't better than the inexperienced "garbage" we are already forced to play with. What your points don't include are the numerous players available in between your two extremes. Your extremes help to make your point, but they don't convince me that there aren't options for the Packers other than the one you are implying, stick your head in the sand and say "nothing we can do."

Well we did just bring in a guy from Arizona PS so the point your getting at is off base that TT is just sitting on his hands. He just hasn't brought in a guy that YOU want.

As for bring up concerns prior to the season if people had known that Murphy would've been as solid as he was not to many would've complained as that wouldve given us two great bookends with a solid backup at the Tackle spots. If your asking for more depth then that then those concerns are simply unfounded.

If you simply want TT to be more aggressive on filling the hole now that it's formed that's fair. But it's not as simple as saying "well he should bring some tackles in" because well, he has brought another Tackle in within the past week, and as others have stated Teams tend to put a high value on even marginal backup Tackles so they're not walking the street.

Cap bringing up Oher for tonight's game is asinine. As of last week we had Murphy, Bulaga back and a possibility of Bakhtiari back as well. Signing him two weeks ago wouldn't have made alot of sense and even had they signed him, or anyone else, the moment Murphy went to IR there's roughly a zero chance he'd play tonight

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Cap bringing up Oher for tonight's game is asinine. As of last week we had Murphy, Bulaga back and a possibility of Bakhtiari back as well. Signing him two weeks ago wouldn't have made alot of sense and even had they signed him, or anyone else, the moment Murphy went to IR there's roughly a zero chance he'd play tonight

It's asinine to have a combination of McCray, Pankey and John protecting Rodgers blind side as well as having another one play right tackle. Advocating to bring in a veteran this week to handle that job for a game??? I don't think that's a ridiculous idea by any means.

 

[RRyder]

It's asinine to have a combination of McCray, Pankey and John protecting Rodgers blind side as well as having another one play right tackle. Advocating to bring in a veteran this week to handle that job for a game??? I don't think that's a ridiculous idea by any means.

It's asinine to believe that any Tackle we brought in this week would actually play THIS week

 

[Deleted member 6794]

It's asinine to believe that any Tackle we brought in this week would actually play THIS week

I'm quite sure a veteran tackle who has started in the league for several years would be better prepared to protect Rodgers than any of the players the Packers will trot out today, even when being signed only a couple days before the game.

 

[RRyder]

I'm quite sure a veteran tackle who has started in the league for several years would be better prepared to protect Rodgers than any of the players the Packers will trot out today, even when being signed only a couple days before the game.

And I pretty sure that even a guy that has started for a few years would need more then 3 days to gain a basic understanding of the terminology needed in order to even be considered an option at starting on the Oline.

It's not like picking up a guy and throwing him in for 3-6 plays his 1st week here. Your asking a guy to have a good enough understanding of what's going on in the offense to play 60+ snaps after 3 days. That's asinine.

At best you could argue their raw talent should be enough to get by but the problem is if they could actually play at even a decent/to below average level, (mind you this is with actually having more then 3 days in an offensive scheme), then they'd be on a team allready in all likelihood considering this league is starved for OTs.

I'm not against picking up a veteran in case Bulaga/Bakhtiari miss more time. In fact they probably should. But the idea that they could've picked one up on Monday and that he'd somehow even see the field tonight as the starter is dumb

 

[Deleted member 6794]

And I pretty sure that even a guy that has started for a few years would need more then 3 days to gain a basic understanding of the terminology needed in order to even be considered an option at starting on the Oline.

It's not like picking up a guy and throwing him in for 3-6 plays his 1st week here. Your asking a guy to have a good enough understanding of what's going on in the offense to play 60+ snaps after 3 days. That's asinine.

At best you could argue their raw talent should be enough to get by but the problem is if they could actually play at even a decent/to below average level, (mind you this is with actually having more then 3 days in an offensive scheme), then they'd be on a team allready in all likelihood considering this league is starved for OTs.

I'm not against picking up a veteran in case Bulaga/Bakhtiari miss more time. But the idea that they could've picked one up on Monday and that he'd somehow even see the field tonight as the starter is dumb

I don't care about a veteran having a decent understanding of the Packers offense as his only job assignment should have been to not commit a false start and block the pass rusher on his side of the line to keep Rodgers upright.

There have been examples of offensive lineman being capable of doing just that only a few days after being signed by their respective teams. Off the top of my head Sitton comes to mind with the Bears last season.

 

[PackAttack12]

But the idea that they could've picked one up on Monday and that he'd somehow even see the field tonight as the starter is dumb

I've always hated to see the words 'dumb' or 'stupid' used to describe someone, or someone's idea, just because another person disagrees with them.

 

[RRyder]

I don't care about a veteran having a decent understanding of the Packers offense as his only job assignment should have been to not commit a false start and block the pass rusher on his side of the line to keep Rodgers upright.

There have been examples of offensive lineman being capable of doing just that only a few days after being signed by their respective teams. Off the top of my head Sitton comes to mind with the Bears last season.

Well there's a pretty big difference in Sittons ability to play guard in this league and a guy like Ohers ability to play Tackle. Like I said if they had the type of ability to just step in and play despite a lack of understanding around them then they'd in all likelihood be on a team allready. Considering how starved this league is for talent at the position they wouldn't be walking the street. You glossed over that point.

I've always hated to see the words 'dumb' or 'stupid' used to describe someone, or someone's idea, just because another person disagrees with them.

True. I normally agree and simply spoke out of turn. I probably should've just said that to be folly

 

[Mondio]

I've always hated to see the words 'dumb' or 'stupid' used to describe someone, or someone's idea, just because another person disagrees with them.

the word dumb is probably used because a newly acquired player, especially one that hasn't suited up for anyone so far this season, is extremely unlikely to suit up and play on a days practice with his new team. Even a guy like Quinton Dial, who plays in the same type defense and was signed on a Tuesday and was not activated for the game day roster until week 2. That's usually the case and for good reason.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Well there's a pretty big difference in Sittons ability to play guard in this league and a guy like Ohers ability to play Tackle. Like I said if they had the type of ability to just step in and play despite a lack of understanding around them then they'd in all likelihood be on a team allready. Considering how starved this league is for talent at the position they wouldn't be walking the street. You glossed over that point.

I don't expect any street free agent to be capable of performing at a level like Sitton by any means. But I definitely believe one of them would be an upgrade over McCray, Pankey or John.

 

[906Fan]

I'd love to see Bennett traded for an OT. I think he has enough value that someone would want him.