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Thompsons 34 draft picks/Rebuilding the Pack

Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by CaliforniaCheez, Jun 25, 2007.

  1. CaliforniaCheez

    CaliforniaCheez Cheesehead

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    34 Thompson draft picks in three years.

    The Packers were tied for second in acquiring the most draft picks of the 2005 draft with 11 picks(Tampa had 12).

    In 2006 and 2007 the Packers have had the most draft picks (11 and 12) in the NFL.

    The Packers got 3 or 4 starters out of the 2005 draft depending on your opinion of Underwood and Whitticker. With 6 still on the roster.

    The Packers got 4 starters in the 2006 draft so far. 10 still on the roster

    In the 2007 draft it is too early to tell.

    Let's say the Packers continue this mode of drafting double digit picks and about 7 making the squad every year. That is not enough to keep a sustained roster of 53 as it will take 7 to 8 years get 53 players and the average career is between 4 and 5 years. Getting 4 starters a year in a draft still requires 6+ years to sustain 22 starters plus specialists.

    The team needs to acquire 10 new players a year, on average to sustain the roster with the same overall quality.

    Now when a team is good it may not require so many players and when it is bad it needs more but on average 10 new players on the 53 roster.

    If 7 are draft picks (The average under the Thompson plan) the other 3 have to come from Free Agency, undrafted rookies, trades etc.

    It cannot be done through the draft alone. Though the draft is the bulk of new player acquisitions. If 10 new players is the average for sustaining a team, then more than 10 must be acquired to improve.

    10 new players from 2005 are on the current roster.
    38 new players from 2006 are on the current roster.
    24 new players so far are on the roster or are unsigned draft picks in 2007.

    Of course not all will make the team.

    These are general trends of course and there are exceptions to the general trends.

    Some times a team goes through many players looking for a good one. When you have good players like Favre, Henderson, Driver there is less roster turnover.

    Something to think about when comparing the ups and downs of a football team over the years.

    The lack of need to acquire Free Agents this year is telling.

    I look forward to seeing the quality of players cut at the end of August.

    Next year fewer rookies will make the team.
     
  2. RainX

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    Quality players from the 2005 draft who will make this team:

    Aaron Rodgers - Whether this is a quality pick is yet to be determined as we won't know until Brett retires and he gets some significant playing time. Right now though, with two drafts gone past where the Packers could've draft Matt Leinart or Brady Quinn, you can assume AR will be the starter when Brett does finally retire, which could be after this year.

    Nick Collins - Had a sophomore slump admittedly, but he's the only lock at Safety going into training camp. If he can play up to his potential, I think he'll be a special player for the Packers for many years to come.

    Marviel Underwood - Had the guy not torn a ligament in a pre-season game, he for almost certain would've dethroned Manuel from the starting lineup by Week 4. If he can regain that fire he had in the 2006 training camp, at worst he makes this team as a quality reserve.

    Brady Poppinga - Had some growing pains last season, but seems to be ready to make that strong-side position his own. For a 5th round draft pick, I think the guy has definitely been above expectations to this point.

    The Rest - Murphy would still be on this team had he not had a bad neck and was forced to retire. Whittaker was a victim of a scheme change. Montgomery and Coston have been mediocre at best, but still have a chance to make the team. The only real duds from this draft were Hawkins, Campbell, and Bragg who was the '05 version of Cory Rodgers.

    Quality players from the 2006 draft who will make this team:

    AJ Hawk - What more needs to be said about this guy? He's going to be a legit play-maker on our roster for several years to come.

    Daryn Colledge - The guy had a very rocky start, but finally lived up to his 2nd round draft status as 2006 wore on. He's starting to make me feel a bit better about having to cut Mike Wahle back in 2005.

    Greg Jennings - I still believe had he not suffered a high-ankle sprain that knocked him down a couple of notches as the year wore on, he would've been right there with Vince Young and Marques Colston for ORotY. I think he's going to definitely have a much improved season over his rookie campaign.

    Abdul Hodge - He looked shaky when he started for Nick Barnett in Seattle, but I'll leave that to rookie inexperience more than anything. He'll probably see his role in the defense expanded this season if he continues to improve in training camp.

    Jason Spitz - I loved this guy from the day I saw his goofy grin on his ESPN draft site photo. He was the overall strongest rookie on the offensive line last year, and I don't see how that he won't continue to improve this season. A worthy successor to Marco Rivera at RG, and a quality backup C to boot.

    Tony Moll - A jack of all trades as I like to call him. It seems like you can plug him in at guard or tackle and he'll still perform well. Very impressive considering he just converted to a full-time offensive lineman his final season in college. I'd say with time he could definitely become a full-time starter once Clifton and/or Tauscher possibly leave since both players contracts will be up in the next couple of years.

    The Rest - Will Blackmon's biggest issue has been his health, so if he can enter training camp healthy and stay on the field, he'll have a good chance to make the team as a reserve CB. Ingle Martin is one of those long term QB projects, but could become a quality backup to AR and MAYBE a starter a few years from now. John Jolly seems to be a solid addition to the DT rotation and will probably make the team assuming we keep 5 DTs again. Tyrone Culver, for a 6th round pick, played well last season. A definite chance to make the team again as a reserve safety. Tollefson would probably be in training camp this season had the Raiders not signed him off our practice squad last year and Rodgers was really the only major dud from an otherwise pretty good draft.

    It's kind of hard to evaluate the '07 guys until you get to see them on the field, but I'd say if you can get 4 or 5 quality starters out of every draft, you're doing pretty well in my mind. If you want to see why GB is currently in rebuilding mode, just go look at 'ol brain-trust Mike Sherman's drafts from 2001 to 2004 and then promptly bang your head against the wall.
     
  3. Zero2Cool

    Zero2Cool I own a website

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    Little tidbit that was left out. You only suit up 45 players.
     
  4. DoddPower

    DoddPower Nick Perry is watching you, NFL QB's!

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    So, you can have a 53 man roster, but only 45 dress out? What's the deal with that?
     
  5. CaliforniaCheez

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    Only 11 are one the field at once....forgot that too.
     
  6. digsthepack

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    Damn this math...I hate math, there are too many numbers!!

    My brain hurts..............
     
  7. Buckeyepackfan

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    (x + y)x(2z x 11) + (53 X 90%) - <22/(4x15y)>=10-6

    x=?
    y=?
    z=?
     
  8. vechenzo

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    lol
     
  9. Zero2Cool

    Zero2Cool I own a website

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    The reason behind I dunno, I just know only 45 actually suit up off the 53 man roster. I remember that well because of the whole 2 punters argument back in the day.
     
  10. Buckeyepackfan

    Buckeyepackfan Cheesehead

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    There is a 53 man roster, but every Gameday 8 players are deemed inactive.
    There is also the Practice squad(the # of players I am not sure, little help)

    A player on a teams practice squad can be by signed by any team.

    Any player on the 53 man active roster is protected.
     
  11. arrowgargantuan

    arrowgargantuan Cheesehead

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    this i did not know, was that how we got gado?
     
  12. Buckeyepackfan

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    I know that is how we obtained PJ Pope, he was on the Bears PS.
    I think I remember Gado being on KC's PS at one time but I think they released him and The Pack just signed him off the street.
    I am not positive of that so don't quote me.
     
  13. Green_Bay_Packers

    Green_Bay_Packers Cheesehead

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    you have totally lost me with that math question.
     
  14. Lare

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    As to practice squad players, the only way a team can sign one from another team is to put them on your 53-man roster. You can't sign one from another practice squad to your practice squad.

    As to building a team, the only way to build a winning team is by acquiring quality players. It doesn't make any difference how you do so. Sure, we'll have a lot of players who've been drafted the last three years on our roster and starting this year. But if they suck, so will our team.
     
  15. CaliforniaCheez

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    That was the point of all the numbers.

    Good drafting is the bulk of it but it has to be supplemented.

    If guys off the street are better than your players you get much more than 10/year. When only a couple of draft picks make it your team is relatively good and the team does not need 10. 10 is a gross average.

    If Ted does not adapt with the changing needs of the team the team will suffer. A different way of suffering from the prior GM who did not obtain enough quality players in the draft.
     
  16. Raider Pride

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    Ted will be in the Packers' Hall Of Fame when all is done.

    All of you Ted haters will then burn in hell.

    R.P.
     
  17. Zero2Cool

    Zero2Cool I own a website

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    Maybe that's Ted motive as well and just to give a positive answer which a 10 and 6 record would be just that. A positive.

    Doesn't matter how you get there, as long as you get there.
     
  18. Buckeyepackfan

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    :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
     
  19. PackFaninBucLand

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    Hunter Hillmeyer was signed by the Bears off of our practice squad, I believe. Another misjudgment by Sherman - can anyone remember who was kept on the roster instead of Hillmeyer?

    Question: Does a team have the right to negotiate prior to another team signing one of their practice squad players, assuming the player notifies the team, of course?
     
  20. Green_Bay_Packers

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    oh my god that question is starting to bug me.
     
  21. Lare

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    Yes, but it's up to the player and his agent to decide how they want to handle the situation. The contract from either team will probably be about the same, so the issue is what situation is in the best long-term interests of the player (playing time, learning curve, competition at the position, etc.).
     
  22. Buckeyepackfan

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    (x + y) + (2z x 11) + (53 x 90%) - <22/(4 x 15y)> = 10-6
    (x + y) + (2z x 11) + (53 x 90%) - <22/(4 x 15y)> = 4
    (x + y) + (2z x 11) + ( 44.7 ) - <22/(4 x 15y)> = 4

    y=1

    (x + 1) + (2z x 11) + ( 44.7 ) - <22/( 60 )> = 4
    (x + 1) + (2z x 11) + ( 44.7 ) - < .367 > = 4
    (x + 1) + (2z x 11) + ( 44.333) = 4

    z=2
    (x + 1) + (44 ) + ( 44.333) = 4
    (x + 45 ) + ( 44.333) = 4
    (x + 89.333) = 4

    x= -85.333

    :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
     
  23. Buckeyepackfan

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    You cant look on the guy's paper next to you on a forum.

     
  25. Green_Bay_Packers

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    is that answer right.
     

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