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<blockquote data-quote="Oannes" data-source="post: 149725" data-attributes="member: 816"><p>Actually, what counts is where Brett Favre is RIGHT NOW. How good will he be THIS season. </p><p></p><p>To Mi_Keys....</p><p></p><p>I appreciate the well balanced informed response. I also appreciate your analysis of me. I am aggressive. I am not, nor will I ever be, arrogant. The way I type will probably lead many others who disagree with me to conclude that. The Grossman reference is a good one. He does dumb things but he's still basically a rook with the amount of games he's played. Our guy is a first ballot hall of famer who STILL after all these years makes those kinds of plays. The hope with Rex is that he won't do that anymore, while Favre never did cure his problem with bonehead plays.</p><p></p><p>Just for fun... The point about Favre's career in Atlanta wasn't so much about him having 5 pass attempts and two picks. One of those was a perfect throw bobbled around by the receiver and then picked. One thing that is a REAL eye opener to the miraculous nature of Brett Favre's career is a program done by ESPN called, " THE TOP 5 REASONS YOU CAN'T BLAME THE FALCONS FOR TRADING BRETT FAVRE". Amazing show. Favre was an incredibly immature moron in his rookie year. If you watch the show, you'd be surprised Wolf ever made that trade. I was. It really didn't make much sense based on what Favre showed on but mostly off the field in Atlanta. Look for that show.... It airs on ESPN Classic. If I ever see that it's coming on, I'll point it out.</p><p></p><p>Again... What I say about Favre is simply about Favre NOW, not what he DID in the past. He used to be my hero. That is where OBJECTIVITY has to come into play but often doesn't. I certainly don't think anyone here doesn't think Favre does dumb things. It's the attitude toward those dumb things that bothers me. The old, "He's Brett Favre...gotta take the good with the bad...he is the greatest ever so I can overlook that"...."the receiver probably didn't do enough"..."Brett never had the right receivers so how can we expect him not to make chancy throws...he has to, to win."</p><p></p><p></p><p>Here is the single greatest example of my problem with Favre fanatics. I'd really love an honest answer to this question.</p><p></p><p>What was your honest reaction when Favre threw the horrendous interception in OT at Philly in the playoff game a few years ago?</p><p></p><p>I'll start... I was incredibly disgusted that our legendary QB thought he could just do something stupid and hope for the best in that situation. I despised the fact that he always thinks he's gotta be a hero. That pass in essence ended his last chance to re-taste glory. I was enraged that the blame went on Mike Sherman for not going for it on 4th and 1, or blaming the defense for 4th and 26. I hated both of those things, but we had the ball in OT and we score we're in the NFC Championship Game. Favre just had to be Favre and hosed us. One of the dumbest plays he's ever made and that's saying a lot. The true greats don't do things like that. Do you ever recall Montana, Brady, Elway, Marino, making a decision that bad in a critical situation? Favre is so prone to make the type of plays that even a bad quarterback wouldn't make those types of throws. His greatness should be measured against that. I'll take the consistency and intelligence of a Brady or Montana over him any day. Each time we go into a game you have to wonder which Favre is going to show up...the one who is going to throw 5 stupid picks that cost us the game, or the one everyone here worships. Those concerns don't exist with TRULY GREAT players. Ever worry Reggie White wasn't going to bring his A game? I can't think of Favre as highly as everyone else because I give a lot of weight to the amount of things he does to lose games. That is as important as the things he's done to win games. In my book, he was the most exciting QB to ever play the game. I loved watching his "street ball" ways on the field. Of course he's the toughest ever. I just wish his decision making had been better over his career.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Oannes, post: 149725, member: 816"] Actually, what counts is where Brett Favre is RIGHT NOW. How good will he be THIS season. To Mi_Keys.... I appreciate the well balanced informed response. I also appreciate your analysis of me. I am aggressive. I am not, nor will I ever be, arrogant. The way I type will probably lead many others who disagree with me to conclude that. The Grossman reference is a good one. He does dumb things but he's still basically a rook with the amount of games he's played. Our guy is a first ballot hall of famer who STILL after all these years makes those kinds of plays. The hope with Rex is that he won't do that anymore, while Favre never did cure his problem with bonehead plays. Just for fun... The point about Favre's career in Atlanta wasn't so much about him having 5 pass attempts and two picks. One of those was a perfect throw bobbled around by the receiver and then picked. One thing that is a REAL eye opener to the miraculous nature of Brett Favre's career is a program done by ESPN called, " THE TOP 5 REASONS YOU CAN'T BLAME THE FALCONS FOR TRADING BRETT FAVRE". Amazing show. Favre was an incredibly immature moron in his rookie year. If you watch the show, you'd be surprised Wolf ever made that trade. I was. It really didn't make much sense based on what Favre showed on but mostly off the field in Atlanta. Look for that show.... It airs on ESPN Classic. If I ever see that it's coming on, I'll point it out. Again... What I say about Favre is simply about Favre NOW, not what he DID in the past. He used to be my hero. That is where OBJECTIVITY has to come into play but often doesn't. I certainly don't think anyone here doesn't think Favre does dumb things. It's the attitude toward those dumb things that bothers me. The old, "He's Brett Favre...gotta take the good with the bad...he is the greatest ever so I can overlook that"...."the receiver probably didn't do enough"..."Brett never had the right receivers so how can we expect him not to make chancy throws...he has to, to win." Here is the single greatest example of my problem with Favre fanatics. I'd really love an honest answer to this question. What was your honest reaction when Favre threw the horrendous interception in OT at Philly in the playoff game a few years ago? I'll start... I was incredibly disgusted that our legendary QB thought he could just do something stupid and hope for the best in that situation. I despised the fact that he always thinks he's gotta be a hero. That pass in essence ended his last chance to re-taste glory. I was enraged that the blame went on Mike Sherman for not going for it on 4th and 1, or blaming the defense for 4th and 26. I hated both of those things, but we had the ball in OT and we score we're in the NFC Championship Game. Favre just had to be Favre and hosed us. One of the dumbest plays he's ever made and that's saying a lot. The true greats don't do things like that. Do you ever recall Montana, Brady, Elway, Marino, making a decision that bad in a critical situation? Favre is so prone to make the type of plays that even a bad quarterback wouldn't make those types of throws. His greatness should be measured against that. I'll take the consistency and intelligence of a Brady or Montana over him any day. Each time we go into a game you have to wonder which Favre is going to show up...the one who is going to throw 5 stupid picks that cost us the game, or the one everyone here worships. Those concerns don't exist with TRULY GREAT players. Ever worry Reggie White wasn't going to bring his A game? I can't think of Favre as highly as everyone else because I give a lot of weight to the amount of things he does to lose games. That is as important as the things he's done to win games. In my book, he was the most exciting QB to ever play the game. I loved watching his "street ball" ways on the field. Of course he's the toughest ever. I just wish his decision making had been better over his career. [/QUOTE]
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