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There is still room for TT to right the ship

Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by hoos, Apr 13, 2006.

  1. hoos

    hoos Cheesehead

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    I am of the opinion that TT has done a lot of bad things this offseason, but I think there is still hope to turn this years team around. Here is what I would do.

    1. Sign Arrington and Woodson to frontloaded 3-5 year contracts: Both of these players want major contracts and I have no problem giving them good money provided that we have the option of pulling the plug if it fails early. We have the cap money, so why not use it to gamble on a couple of players that have shown superstar skills. If they pan out we would have taken most of the hit for their contracts and that will help with future cap space.

    2. Draft Mario Williams if available. Just picture this: 3rd and Long and KGB, Lavar and Super Mario frothing at the mouth.

    3. Draft/or sign as a free agent: Connor Hughes. This guy can kick. I watched him at UVa and he can hit the long field goal, and he can hit it in pressure situations. I remember one year he basically won the Wake Forest game for us with 3 40+ yard FGs.

    4. Pickup some OL competition: I would like to see us draft some guards early in the draft. They may not be ready to play this season, but we won't know unless we try. I think keeping Brett from getting lit up like a christmas tree should be a priority.

    5. Pay Javon a reasonable salary for this year: Javon has acted like a child I must admit, but I feel like TT has still given him a raw deal. I agreed with not renegotiating his contract last year because we simply didn't have the money and he had two years left on his deal. He came back to camp predicated on the idea that if he played well last year that he most likely would have gotten a renegotiated contract. He came back in good faith and suffered a bad injury. The LEAST we could do is rework his deal for this year to pay him what a competent #2 gets in this league. I'm not in favor of giving him a long-term extension as he could be damaged goods, but I think it is fair to repay his loyalty of showing up to camp with an increased salary for this year.

    I’m sure not all of this will be popular, but I think this is the best chance to field a competitive team this year without jeopardizing the future.
     
  2. rabidgopher04

    rabidgopher04 Cheesehead

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    Apparently you've missed the news: JWalk will not be a Packer this year.

    KGB frothing at the mouth doesn't exactly strike fear into anyone in the NFL. He should be a LB with his size.

    Yes on Arrington. Maybe on Woodson.
     
  3. hoos

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    I agree, that by himself and being double teamed KGB is no real threat. But if you had a KGB-Mario bookend with the threat of Lavar coming as well, I think you'd have a pretty leathal rush.

    Also, I am still of the opinion that money will help the JWalk situation. I don't think this will happen, but I'd at least take a shot at it.
     
  4. rabidgopher04

    rabidgopher04 Cheesehead

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    I certainly hope so. Perhaps him and his step-dad were trying Drew Rosenhaus tactics to force something to happen immediately but will back down in the end.
     
  5. Chamuko

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    Maybe signing another minimum wage FA kicker right now, to join the figth for the roster spot !!! Will it help right the ship???
    Maybe even bring Brett back !!!!

    TT is a genius !!!
     
  6. Packnic

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    i agree with all this ....not terrible sure about javon... your plan for javon is what SHOULD happen, but i just dont feel like its a possibility i feel like its gone too far now... but i still share your hope. Connor is a good kicker i agree, and i think if he goes undrafted its a no brainer he should be given a chance... not worth a draft pick though.

    all in all a great post, very very reasonable ideas and works with what is possible. i like it.

    That being said....... GO HOKIES
     
  7. hoos

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    Damn, now I have to disagree with everything you say on principle alone. Wahoowa.
     
  8. hoos

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    Damn, now I have to disagree with everything you say on principle alone. Wahoowa.
     
  9. rabidgopher04

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    When you have 80+ spots on the roster in the offseason who cares? Special teams that sucks could cost teams a lot of games. Let's make sure we get it right.
     
  10. hoos

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    Also, as a point of clarity, I do not support a high draft choice for Hughes, but I wouldn't mind using like a 6th or 7th rounder on him to ensure we have his rights.

    The other thing is that I am assuming that all of these steps would lead to Brett coming back. I tried to imply that Brett is the QB I want when I discussed adding Offensive linemen.
     
  11. Packnic

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    hahaha hoos.... my thoughts exactly as i read your post.... i was like damn why does he have to be right! sola rex
     
  12. bozz_2006

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    i like KGB A LOT... on 3rd down, and 2nd and long. Mario & Kampman for the rest. and put campy inside on throwing situations.
     
  13. porky88

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    Of course there is still room... He's only been GM for a year and this is his 2nd off season.

    As for this season.. I don't think we could of buyed a SB like people think.
     
  14. HatestheEagles084

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    I always felt bad for KGB, always getting double-teamed, etc...but my perspective changed this year, because I saw Kampman, Cole, even Montgomery making some nice plays--and they don't have KGB's physical tools. I'm a proponent for trading him, especially if we get Mario Williams
     
  15. gado35

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    KGB has done a decent job but drafting mario and letting the 3 rotate would be great. Fresh legs on new downs. wow.
     
  16. Zero2Cool

    Zero2Cool I own a website

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    Apparently J Walk missed the news --- he is under contract.
    A, Play.
    B, Wait til week 10, play.
    C, Retire.

    Those are his options, currently.
     
  17. pyledriver80

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    Yeah trying to buy a Super Bowl will not work. The problem is your wants or opinions of what TT can do to impress you does not matter.

    TT is not going to sign Arrington and Woodson both. Maybe one, possibly neither. Both are risks and are asking for to much cash.

    Mario will likely be gone, if not, I would be ok with this except the fact that he is a little lazy and could be Hunt #2

    Drafting Hughes would be ok, but nowhere in the first 5 rounds.

    OL will be there for the entirety of the Draft. Do not pick one early if he is not the kind that fits the system. The guys that will be there in round 2 Jean-Gilles and Lutui just do not fit what we are trying to do. Wait til round 3 and then start looking at guards. If Mangold is around at 2 it's a no brainer to me.

    Screw Javon, let him sit!


    The problem with this whole thing is that you are asking TT to do way to much. It's just not realistic.

    TT has done some outstanding things this off-season. If he didn't sign another Free Agent I would still be happy, in a realistic way, with whatt TT has done.

    All this guy does it catch slack no matter what he does. Resigning Green,Gardner,Henderson,Kampman,Etc is never talked about. These guys could have easily been gone, and though they are not new faces, are basically free agent signings. He brought In Pickett,Manual,Taylor,Boerichter,etc which are all YOUNG guys with upside.

    If you throw in all the resigns we have been one of the more active teams in free-agency. But it's never enough because we failed to sign some overpriced,overrated BIG NAME player.

    I am not TT's biggest supporter by any means. Cundiff was a joke and letting Wahle go last year so we could sign Raynoch Thompson,Earl Little,O'Dwyer and other was the most boneheaded move ever.

    But cut the guy some slack and give him credit for what he's done. If he doesn't do half of the things you listed it was still a productive off-season
     
  18. cheesey

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    LOTS of good points in this thread......the ONLY problem i have with it is the "righting of the ship" phrase...........shouldn't that be left for the VIKINGS alone???? :wink: :lol:
     
  19. rabidgopher04

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    Contracts mean nothing if the player refuses to play.
     
  20. Popcynical

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    He's gotta play a certain amount of games to get paid.
     
  21. SuperRat

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    he only has to show up by week 10 and at that point no coach would play him with the things he's been saying about the team.
     
  22. rabidgopher04

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    According to the media reports he doesn't want to play for the Packers. I'm just saying that nothing in a contract can make a player play if he doesn't want to.
     
  23. Zero2Cool

    Zero2Cool I own a website

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    Keith Jackson. 1995. Refused to play for the Packers because he didn't feel they were a 'contender'
    Coincidently by week ten when the Packers proved how solid they were he showed up jus in time to ensure he'd be credited for the year.

    He played in 7 games ammassing 13 whopping catchs for 142 yards with an average of 10.9 yards per catch with 1 TD. He shared the spot light with Mark Chmura.

    The Point.
    Players change their mind. It was thought the Packers wasted a lot of time and cash on Jackson who later provided to be a great asset to the team. The same COULD happen with Javon. Javon has taken it to another level for sure, but I won't count out the Lambeau magic until he's wearing another jersey.
     
  24. SuperRat

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    Did Keith Jackson say that he would rather retire than play for the Packers ever again?
     
  25. route25

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    Reggie White had a whole lot to do with getting Jackson to come to Green Bay. I just don't know who on the current team is in a position to do that. Normallly, you would think Favre would fill that role, but unfortunately he's probably the last guy Walker wants to play with.
     

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