the run

[steveGB]

i couldnt watch the match so i was just wondering what happened to the run today? i mean 55 passing attempts and 16 rushing attempts. MM was saying he wanted to enforce the run more then the pass and all i saw from stats was pass.

and wat happened on D i noticed a few turnovers but was our problem stopping ?

 

[pyledriver80]

No Vonta Leach had something to do with it. We tried to run the ball but couldn't. The O-line can't seem to execute the zone blocking scheme either.


The D after the first quarter or so was bad. The Pass Defense was awful. Poppinga needs to go find the pine. It was rather pathetic against a poor group of WR's.

Run Defense wasn't bad though Duece averaged near 4 yards a carry. I don't know what the problem is. It's just breakdown after breakdown though

 

[steveGB]

maybe MM should consider starting ben taylor? from what he had a break out year last year

 

[pyledriver80]

I think Taylor would definitely be a better option than Poppinga. After last week I can't see why they would even start him again

 

[majikman]

maybe MM should consider starting ben taylor? from what he had a break out year last year

Doesn't the DC have the say of who starts on the Defense?

 

[pyledriver80]

maybe MM should consider starting ben taylor? from what he had a break out year last year

Doesn't the DC have the say of who starts on the Defense?

I am assuming he does and am assuming he is the one who must have a "man crush" on Poppinga. I don't know who's call it is but someone should probably fix it, or at least try

 

[steveGB]

consider being the operative word

 

[Zero2Cool]

I like how predictable you have became sir pyle.

RB from a team not named the Packers gains 47 yards on 12 carries. You only note that he gained nearly 4 yards per. And state there was break down after break down.

If it was Ahman or any other Packer you would argue that 23 of them yards were on one play which the defense escorted him to the end zone. Then you would follow with something to the tune of remove that 1 TD run and you got 11 carries for 24 yards. That's an average of 2.18 yards per.


To your defense you did say the run defense wasn't bad. So its not like you were saying they were giving up four yards a carry.

For those who didn't see the game. The Packers held the Saints running game very well throughout the game, until the a.s.s.blistering 23 yard score from master deuce.

 

[steveGB]

i would still prefer to see ben taylor in there for a few games. who knows he might just be better then poppinga. in coverage and runstopping

 

[pyledriver80]

I like how predictable you have became sir pyle.

RB from a team not named the Packers gains 47 yards on 12 carries. You only note that he gained nearly 4 yards per. And state there was break down after break down.

If it was Ahman or any other Packer you would argue that 23 of them yards were on one play which the defense escorted him to the end zone. Then you would follow with something to the tune of remove that 1 TD run and you got 11 carries for 24 yards. That's an average of 2.18 yards per.


To your defense you did say the run defense wasn't bad. So its not like you were saying they were giving up four yards a carry.

For those who didn't see the game. The Packers held the Saints running game very well throughout the game, until the a.s.s.blistering 23 yard score from master deuce.

Please don't tell me what I would have done and then state that I didn't do it 2 paragraphs down. It confuses me.

The Breakdowns after Breakdown thing was directed at the Defense as a whole.

 

[steveGB]

so why did we giv up on the run so easily? didnt green look very good or something or was it just the blocking wasnt there?

 

[Zero2Cool]

I like how predictable you have became sir pyle.

RB from a team not named the Packers gains 47 yards on 12 carries. You only note that he gained nearly 4 yards per. And state there was break down after break down.

If it was Ahman or any other Packer you would argue that 23 of them yards were on one play which the defense escorted him to the end zone. Then you would follow with something to the tune of remove that 1 TD run and you got 11 carries for 24 yards. That's an average of 2.18 yards per.


To your defense you did say the run defense wasn't bad. So its not like you were saying they were giving up four yards a carry.

For those who didn't see the game. The Packers held the Saints running game very well throughout the game, until the a.s.s.blistering 23 yard score from master deuce.

Please don't tell me what I would have done and then state that I didn't do it 2 paragraphs down. It confuses me.

The Breakdowns after Breakdown thing was directed at the Defense as a whole.

4 yards a carry without stating the how many yards and throwing in the longest run which was nearly half the total is a bit misleading there. Especially when you add 'breakdown after breakdown'

Run Defense wasn't bad though Duece averaged near 4 yards a carry. I don't know what the problem is. It's just breakdown after breakdown though

That was your quote which began with Run Defense in the same paragraph as "breakdown after breakdown." and no mention of the defense as a whole in that paragraph.

:shrug:

 

[pyledriver80]

Blocking wasn't good so Green didn't look good. Why this changed from last week when this team was playing a DRAMATICALLY worse defense is the question.

 

[Zero2Cool]

How was it different?

 

[pyledriver80]

I guess you missed the - RUN DEFENSE WASN'T BAD part!


I am sorry for not breaking down every run by Duece, my apologies.

 

[pyledriver80]

How was it different?

How was what different?

 

[Zombieslayer]

so why did we giv up on the run so easily? didnt green look very good or something or was it just the blocking wasnt there?

He wasn't getting any holes for him at all. The pass was working. 27 points should be enough to win a ball game. Favre threw 3 TDs and almost four but he got smacked right as he threw one and it got intercepted in the end zone.

It wasn't Green looked bad, more like the OL didn't create anything for him to work with. Green's not a great runner, never was, but he's one of the best at taking advantage of holes. They simply weren't there today.

 

[Zero2Cool]

I guess you missed the - RUN DEFENSE WASN'T BAD part!


I am sorry for not breaking down every run by Duece, my apologies.

lol who said every run? jus mentioned the one that nearly doubled his rushing total... whats so hard about understanding that?

 

[Zero2Cool]

Blocking wasn't good so Green didn't look good. Why this changed from last week when this team was playing a DRAMATICALLY worse defense is the question.

How was it different? Since you need this drawn out for you because you can somehow know everything about football but have no common logic once so ever.

I have quoted a post of your saying the blocking wasn't good. Then you question why it was changed.


This is where I ask.

How was it different? How were they blocking different?



IF you still do not understand the question when I get home I can draw you pictures if you'd like. or maybe you will continue to use ignorance as a way to dodge a question.

 

[pyledriver80]

Blocking wasn't good so Green didn't look good. Why this changed from last week when this team was playing a DRAMATICALLY worse defense is the question.

How was it different? Since you need this drawn out for you because you can somehow know everything about football but have no common logic once so ever.

I have quoted a post of your saying the blocking wasn't good. Then you question why it was changed.


This is where I ask.

How was it different? How were they blocking different?



IF you still do not understand the question when I get home I can draw you pictures if you'd like. or maybe you will continue to use ignorance as a way to dodge a question.

Yeah pretty cocky response there buddy, keep calling me ignorant because you obviously can't figure out that good RUNNING revolves around good BLOCKING. Don't worry, Ted can't figure it out either.


I can see this eludes you judging by your response in the previous post where you stated Leach not being there was a non-factor. You stated Green couldn't get to the next level and having Leach would not have changed that, which is silly silly stuff. Do you realize thats what FB's are for?


Nowhere did I claim I knew more than you did Zero, but you obviously feel this way hence your little "because you can somehow know everything about football" message above that you love to use because you feel intimidated. That sure is telling!

 

[arrowgargantuan]

lets not forget, Green amassed almost half of his yardage in the 4th...when Chicago was clearly playing the pass and trying to prevent the big play.

to say his 110 yard game was a result of Leach's superb blocking is pretty misleading. up until the 3rd he had 62 yards rushing...nothing spectacular.

 

[pyledriver80]

Good point Arrow but Green had a few big runs against Chicago sprung by big blocks in the hole by Vonta. Let's also be sure to realize that we ran for more yards per carry even before the 4th quarter against Chicago than we did against a very poor NO team

Whatever the case this team could not run the ball on NO and that is the result of either very poor blocking by the O-Line or by a lack of a FB blowing up holes.

I watched the tape back and I can promise you that the FB position was an area of huge concern whether anyone wants to admit it or not.


We'll see I guess.

 

[Packnic]

Pyle doesnt know anything about football. I can become a coach of a pee wee football team. you just go to your local rec department. fill out a form and bam your a coach. do not equate someone quoting formations and saying they are a coach with having football knowledge. hes in a forum talkin about the packers just like us... thats it.

need i remind you, he thinks that the coaches salary counts against the cap.

and pyle... you need to quit changing stats so they fit your arguments. you cant say we are 2-14... and you cant take away touchdown runs and other stats that would hurt your argument. its misleading and it hurts the forum.



did you know... that brett favre would have only thrown for 113 yards against the saints... if he used his left hand. see i can do it too.

 

[pyledriver80]

Pyle doesnt know anything about football. I can become a coach of a pee wee football team. you just go to your local rec department. fill out a form and bam your a coach. do not equate someone quoting formations and saying they are a coach with having football knowledge. hes in a forum talkin about the packers just like us... thats it.

need i remind you, he thinks that the coaches salary counts against the cap.

and pyle... you need to quit changing stats so they fit your arguments. you cant say we are 2-14... and you cant take away touchdown runs and other stats that would hurt your argument. its misleading and it hurts the forum.



did you know... that brett favre would have only thrown for 113 yards against the saints... if he used his left hand. see i can do it too.

First off NicNac lets get your facts straight, I do not coach Pee-Wee football and secondly I don't know what me coaching has to do with anything. Again your jealousy shows up loud and clear. Where did I bring up me coaching in anything? You are talking with no knowledge as usual.


I also do not come on here and insult your job, so please don't do it to me. I could come on here and say Packnic isn't a very good at serving up fries at McDonalds, but I don't.

Secondly Packnic you may want to realize how hypocritical you are. This is my point of 2-14. It's the same thing you guys do to Mike Shermans record so I applied it to Ted Thompson and you start crying. Point made, Thank You NicNac!


You want to talk about football, than do it, but I guess you are either unable to do so intelligently, or are just trying to flex your big Internet muscles by replying to a thread that coaching has nothing to do with. You're a real tough guy bud, now get your hairnet on and get back to slinging burgers

 

[Anubis]

It wasn't Green looked bad, more like the OL didn't create anything for him to work with. Green's not a great runner, never was, but he's one of the best at taking advantage of holes. They simply weren't there today.

I agree about the o-line, but not about Green not being a great runner. When Wolf obtained Green in 2000, he became the most prolific RB in the league, amassing more total yards from scrimmage (9,036) and rushing yards (6,848) than any player in the NFL. Last week, Green had a good game vs. one of the best defenses in the league. Yesterday, he was struggling against an average defense to the point where MM abandoned the run. I am still waiting for someone to explain why this was the case if getting rid of Leach had nothing to do with it. Leach was a good blocker who should not have been traded if the Pack wants to establish a good running game. The end result of getting rid of him became quite eveident yesterday when we returned to being a primarily passing offense.