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  1. SELECT cache_value
    FROM xf_permission_combination
    WHERE permission_combination_id = ?
    Params: 1
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    Select TypeTableTypePossible KeysKeyKey LenRefRowsExtra
    SIMPLExf_permission_combinationconstPRIMARYPRIMARY4const1 
  2. SELECT thread.*
    	,
    		user.gender, user.avatar_date, user.gravatar,
    		NULL AS thread_read_date,
    		0 AS thread_reply_banned,
    		0 AS thread_is_watched,
    		'' AS draft_message, NULL AS draft_extra
    FROM xf_thread AS thread
    
    		LEFT JOIN xf_user AS user ON
    			(user.user_id = thread.user_id)
    WHERE thread.thread_id = ?
    Params: 34512
    Run Time: 0.000586
    Select TypeTableTypePossible KeysKeyKey LenRefRowsExtra
    SIMPLEthreadconstPRIMARYPRIMARY4const1 
    SIMPLEuserconstPRIMARYPRIMARY4const1 
  3. SELECT node.*, forum.*
    	,
    	permission.cache_value AS node_permission_cache,
    		NULL AS forum_read_date
    FROM xf_forum AS forum
    INNER JOIN xf_node AS node ON (node.node_id = forum.node_id)
    
    	LEFT JOIN xf_permission_cache_content AS permission
    		ON (permission.permission_combination_id = 1
    			AND permission.content_type = 'node'
    			AND permission.content_id = forum.node_id)
    WHERE node.node_id = ?
    Params: 20
    Run Time: 0.000316
    Select TypeTableTypePossible KeysKeyKey LenRefRowsExtra
    SIMPLEforumconstPRIMARYPRIMARY4const1 
    SIMPLEnodeconstPRIMARYPRIMARY4const1 
    SIMPLEpermissionconstPRIMARYPRIMARY35const,const,const1 
  4. SELECT EWRporta2_articles.*, xf_thread.*, xf_post.*, xf_user.*, EWRporta2_authors.*
    FROM EWRporta2_articles
    	INNER JOIN xf_thread ON (xf_thread.thread_id = EWRporta2_articles.thread_id)
    	INNER JOIN xf_post ON (xf_post.post_id = xf_thread.first_post_id)
    	LEFT JOIN xf_user ON (xf_user.user_id = xf_thread.user_id)
    	LEFT JOIN EWRporta2_authors ON (EWRporta2_authors.user_id = xf_thread.user_id)
    WHERE EWRporta2_articles.thread_id = ?
    Params: 34512
    Run Time: 0.001005
    Select TypeTableTypePossible KeysKeyKey LenRefRowsExtra
    SIMPLE       Impossible WHERE noticed after reading const tables
  5. SELECT EWRporta2_articles.*, EWRporta2_authors.*, xf_thread.*, xf_post.*, xf_user.*
    FROM xf_thread
    	INNER JOIN xf_post ON (xf_post.post_id = xf_thread.first_post_id)
    	LEFT JOIN xf_user ON (xf_user.user_id = xf_thread.user_id)
    	LEFT JOIN EWRporta2_authors ON (EWRporta2_authors.user_id = xf_thread.user_id)
    	LEFT JOIN EWRporta2_articles ON (EWRporta2_articles.thread_id = xf_thread.thread_id)
    WHERE xf_thread.thread_id = ?
    Params: 34512
    Run Time: 0.000767
    Select TypeTableTypePossible KeysKeyKey LenRefRowsExtra
    SIMPLExf_threadconstPRIMARYPRIMARY4const1 
    SIMPLExf_postconstPRIMARYPRIMARY4const1 
    SIMPLExf_userconstPRIMARYPRIMARY4const1 
    SIMPLEEWRporta2_authorsconstPRIMARYPRIMARY4const0unique row not found
    SIMPLEEWRporta2_articlesconstPRIMARYPRIMARY4const0unique row not found
  6. SELECT post.*
    	,
    		bb_code_parse_cache.parse_tree AS message_parsed, bb_code_parse_cache.cache_version AS message_cache_version,
    		user.*, IF(user.username IS NULL, post.username, user.username) AS username,
    		user_profile.*,
    		user_privacy.*,
    		signature_parse_cache.parse_tree AS signature_parsed, bb_code_parse_cache.cache_version AS signature_cache_version,
    		session_activity.view_date AS last_view_date,
    		0 AS like_date
    		,(select sum(count_received) from dark_postrating_count where user_id = post.user_id and rating in (1,2,4,5,6,7,8,10)) as positive_rating_count
    	
    		,(select sum(count_received) from dark_postrating_count where user_id = post.user_id and rating in (14,11,12,13)) as negative_rating_count
    	
    		,(select sum(count_received) from dark_postrating_count where user_id = post.user_id and rating in (3,9)) as neutral_rating_count
    	,
    pr_cache.rating_cache,
    pr2.rating
    FROM xf_post AS post
    
    		LEFT JOIN xf_bb_code_parse_cache AS bb_code_parse_cache ON
    			(bb_code_parse_cache.content_type = 'post' AND bb_code_parse_cache.content_id = post.post_id)
    		LEFT JOIN xf_user AS user ON
    			(user.user_id = post.user_id)
    		LEFT JOIN xf_user_profile AS user_profile ON
    			(user_profile.user_id = post.user_id)
    		LEFT JOIN xf_user_privacy AS user_privacy ON
    			(user_privacy.user_id = post.user_id)
    		LEFT JOIN xf_bb_code_parse_cache AS signature_parse_cache ON
    			(signature_parse_cache.content_type = 'signature' AND signature_parse_cache.content_id = post.user_id)
    		LEFT JOIN xf_session_activity AS session_activity ON
    			(post.user_id > 0 AND session_activity.user_id = post.user_id AND session_activity.unique_key = CAST(post.user_id AS BINARY))
    left join dark_postrating_post_cache pr_cache ON (post.post_id = pr_cache.post_id)
    left join dark_postrating pr2 on (post.post_id = pr2.post_id and pr2.user_id = 0)
    WHERE post.thread_id = ?
    	 AND (post.position >= 225 AND post.position < 250) 
    	AND (post.message_state IN ('visible'))
    ORDER BY post.position ASC, post.post_date ASC
    Params: 34512
    Run Time: 0.006840
    Select TypeTableTypePossible KeysKeyKey LenRefRowsExtra
    PRIMARYpostrangethread_id_post_date,thread_id_positionthread_id_position8 24Using where; Using filesort
    PRIMARYbb_code_parse_cacheeq_refcontent_type_idcontent_type_id31const,packerfo_maindb.post.post_id1 
    PRIMARYusereq_refPRIMARYPRIMARY4packerfo_maindb.post.user_id1 
    PRIMARYuser_profileeq_refPRIMARYPRIMARY4packerfo_maindb.post.user_id1 
    PRIMARYuser_privacyeq_refPRIMARYPRIMARY4packerfo_maindb.post.user_id1 
    PRIMARYsignature_parse_cacheeq_refcontent_type_idcontent_type_id31const,packerfo_maindb.post.user_id1 
    PRIMARYsession_activityeq_refPRIMARYPRIMARY22packerfo_maindb.post.user_id,func1 
    PRIMARYpr_cacheeq_refPRIMARYPRIMARY4packerfo_maindb.post.post_id1 
    PRIMARYpr2eq_refpost_id_user_id,post_id_rating,user_id_ratingpost_id_user_id8packerfo_maindb.post.post_id,const1 
    DEPENDENT SUBQUERYdark_postrating_countrefuser_id_ratinguser_id_rating4packerfo_maindb.post.user_id4Using where
    DEPENDENT SUBQUERYdark_postrating_countrefuser_id_ratinguser_id_rating4packerfo_maindb.post.user_id4Using where
    DEPENDENT SUBQUERYdark_postrating_countrefuser_id_ratinguser_id_rating4packerfo_maindb.post.user_id4Using where
  7. INSERT DELAYED INTO xf_thread_view
    	(thread_id)
    VALUES
    	(?)
    Params: 34512
    Run Time: 0.000212
  8. UPDATE xf_thread SET hot_count = hot_count + 1 WHERE thread_id = 34512
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  9. SELECT thread.*
    	,
    		0 AS thread_reply_banned
    FROM xf_thread AS thread
    
    WHERE thread.thread_id = ?
    Params: 34512
    Run Time: 0.000504
    Select TypeTableTypePossible KeysKeyKey LenRefRowsExtra
    SIMPLEthreadconstPRIMARYPRIMARY4const1 
  10. SELECT node.*, forum.*
    	,
    	permission.cache_value AS node_permission_cache
    FROM xf_forum AS forum
    INNER JOIN xf_node AS node ON (node.node_id = forum.node_id)
    
    	LEFT JOIN xf_permission_cache_content AS permission
    		ON (permission.permission_combination_id = 1
    			AND permission.content_type = 'node'
    			AND permission.content_id = forum.node_id)
    WHERE node.node_id = ?
    Params: 20
    Run Time: 0.000275
    Select TypeTableTypePossible KeysKeyKey LenRefRowsExtra
    SIMPLEforumconstPRIMARYPRIMARY4const1 
    SIMPLEnodeconstPRIMARYPRIMARY4const1 
    SIMPLEpermissionconstPRIMARYPRIMARY35const,const,const1 
  11. SELECT *
    FROM xf_ignore_thread
    WHERE user_id = ?
    	AND thread_id = ?
    Params: 0, 34512
    Run Time: 0.000115
    Select TypeTableTypePossible KeysKeyKey LenRefRowsExtra
    SIMPLExf_ignore_threadrefuser_threaduser_thread8const,const1 
  12. SELECT EWRporta2_articles.*, xf_thread.*, xf_post.*, xf_user.*, EWRporta2_authors.*
    FROM EWRporta2_articles
    	INNER JOIN xf_thread ON (xf_thread.thread_id = EWRporta2_articles.thread_id)
    	INNER JOIN xf_post ON (xf_post.post_id = xf_thread.first_post_id)
    	LEFT JOIN xf_user ON (xf_user.user_id = xf_thread.user_id)
    	LEFT JOIN EWRporta2_authors ON (EWRporta2_authors.user_id = xf_thread.user_id)
    WHERE EWRporta2_articles.thread_id = ?
    Params: 34512
    Run Time: 0.000950
    Select TypeTableTypePossible KeysKeyKey LenRefRowsExtra
    SIMPLE       Impossible WHERE noticed after reading const tables
  13. SELECT EWRporta2_articles.*, EWRporta2_authors.*, xf_thread.*, xf_post.*, xf_user.*
    FROM xf_thread
    	INNER JOIN xf_post ON (xf_post.post_id = xf_thread.first_post_id)
    	LEFT JOIN xf_user ON (xf_user.user_id = xf_thread.user_id)
    	LEFT JOIN EWRporta2_authors ON (EWRporta2_authors.user_id = xf_thread.user_id)
    	LEFT JOIN EWRporta2_articles ON (EWRporta2_articles.thread_id = xf_thread.thread_id)
    WHERE xf_thread.thread_id = ?
    Params: 34512
    Run Time: 0.000844
    Select TypeTableTypePossible KeysKeyKey LenRefRowsExtra
    SIMPLExf_threadconstPRIMARYPRIMARY4const1 
    SIMPLExf_postconstPRIMARYPRIMARY4const1 
    SIMPLExf_userconstPRIMARYPRIMARY4const1 
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    SIMPLEEWRporta2_articlesconstPRIMARYPRIMARY4const0unique row not found
  14. INSERT INTO xf_session_activity
    	(user_id, unique_key, ip, controller_name, controller_action, view_state, params, view_date, robot_key)
    VALUES
    	(?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?)
    ON DUPLICATE KEY UPDATE
    	ip = VALUES(ip),
    	controller_name = VALUES(controller_name),
    	controller_action = VALUES(controller_action),
    	view_state = VALUES(view_state),
    	params = VALUES(params),
    	view_date = VALUES(view_date),
    	robot_key = VALUES(robot_key)
    Params: 0, , , XenForo_ControllerPublic_Thread, Index, valid, thread_id=34512&page=10, 1462021870,
    Run Time: 0.000482
  15. SELECT title, phrase_text
    FROM xf_phrase_compiled
    WHERE language_id = ?
    	AND title IN ('freepro_menu_tickets', 'freepro_menu_schedule', 'freepro_menu_roster', 'freepro_menu_draft')
    Params: 1
    Run Time: 0.000140
    Select TypeTableTypePossible KeysKeyKey LenRefRowsExtra
    SIMPLExf_phrase_compiledrangePRIMARYPRIMARY106 4Using where
  16. INSERT INTO xf_bb_code_parse_cache
    	(content_type, content_id, parse_tree, cache_version, cache_date)
    VALUES (?, ?, ?, ?, ?)
    ON DUPLICATE KEY UPDATE parse_tree = VALUES(parse_tree),
    	cache_version = VALUES(cache_version),
    	cache_date = VALUES(cache_date)
    Params: post, 436478, a:1:{i:0;s:567:"By most accounts we did indeed miss Jenkins. He became a big time player for us on defense. If one thinks that lightning is going to strike twice be my guest. I don't see the potential there in either Wynn or Wilson. I've already discussed Neal. No one says its an easy job being a GM. A lot of jobs in this world are difficult. But it is the job he selected and is getting paid to do. The Packers have shown success but to me to get to the next level and that's the Super Bowl they need an infusion of talent on the defense. Standing pat is not the answer.";}, 1458829234, 1462021870
    Run Time: 0.000998
  17. INSERT INTO xf_bb_code_parse_cache
    	(content_type, content_id, parse_tree, cache_version, cache_date)
    VALUES (?, ?, ?, ?, ?)
    ON DUPLICATE KEY UPDATE parse_tree = VALUES(parse_tree),
    	cache_version = VALUES(cache_version),
    	cache_date = VALUES(cache_date)
    Params: post, 436488, a:2:{i:0;a:4:{s:3:"tag";s:5:"quote";s:6:"option";s:35:"Rocky11, post: 436368, member: 6299";s:8:"original";a:2:{i:0;s:45:"[quote="Rocky11, post: 436368, member: 6299"]";i:1;s:8:"[/quote]";}s:8:"children";a:1:{i:0;s:190:"GreenBlood. It is tough to "defend" last year's defense. The worst in the NFL or at least close. How many games would we have lost it we didn't have the turnovers. Offense A+ Defense D- IMO.";}}i:1;s:316:" It's not difficult to defend at all. The only way you can call the Packers defense the worst is if you only look at yards. The single most important statistic for a defense is points allowed. Going into the final game against the Lions (where our best players all sat the pine) they were 11th in that category.";}, 1458829234, 1462021870
    Run Time: 0.001492
  18. INSERT INTO xf_bb_code_parse_cache
    	(content_type, content_id, parse_tree, cache_version, cache_date)
    VALUES (?, ?, ?, ?, ?)
    ON DUPLICATE KEY UPDATE parse_tree = VALUES(parse_tree),
    	cache_version = VALUES(cache_version),
    	cache_date = VALUES(cache_date)
    Params: post, 436489, a:2:{i:0;a:4:{s:3:"tag";s:5:"quote";s:6:"option";s:39:"ExpatPacker, post: 436459, member: 5535";s:8:"original";a:2:{i:0;s:49:"[quote="ExpatPacker, post: 436459, member: 5535"]";i:1;s:8:"[/quote]";}s:8:"children";a:1:{i:0;s:121:"These are not knee-jerk reactions, they are legitimate concerns about a defense that was the worst in the NFL last year. ";}}i:1;s:275:" No, they weren't. The Bucs were the worst. They allowed more than 490 points last year. 13 teams allowed more points than we did. Prior to the meaningless Lions game, 21 teams had allowed more points than the Packers. It's simply a myth that we had the worst defense.";}, 1458829234, 1462021870
    Run Time: 0.000818
  19. INSERT INTO xf_bb_code_parse_cache
    	(content_type, content_id, parse_tree, cache_version, cache_date)
    VALUES (?, ?, ?, ?, ?)
    ON DUPLICATE KEY UPDATE parse_tree = VALUES(parse_tree),
    	cache_version = VALUES(cache_version),
    	cache_date = VALUES(cache_date)
    Params: post, 436490, a:2:{i:0;a:4:{s:3:"tag";s:5:"quote";s:6:"option";s:38:"GreenBlood, post: 436489, member: 1198";s:8:"original";a:2:{i:0;s:48:"[quote="GreenBlood, post: 436489, member: 1198"]";i:1;s:8:"[/quote]";}s:8:"children";a:1:{i:0;s:267:"No, they weren't. The Bucs were the worst. They allowed more than 490 points last year. 13 teams allowed more points than we did. Prior to the meaningless Lions game, 21 teams had allowed more points than the Packers. It's simply a myth that we had the worst defense.";}}i:1;s:67:" People only look at yards given up...They dont care about points";}, 1458829234, 1462021870
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  20. INSERT INTO xf_bb_code_parse_cache
    	(content_type, content_id, parse_tree, cache_version, cache_date)
    VALUES (?, ?, ?, ?, ?)
    ON DUPLICATE KEY UPDATE parse_tree = VALUES(parse_tree),
    	cache_version = VALUES(cache_version),
    	cache_date = VALUES(cache_date)
    Params: post, 436503, a:1:{i:0;s:219:"I tend to look at 3rd down. You have to admit we sucked at it. A little throw across the middle, first down. They could not get off the field. I don't have the stats but I bet we did not compare well to other teams.";}, 1458829234, 1462021870
    Run Time: 0.001468
  21. INSERT INTO xf_bb_code_parse_cache
    	(content_type, content_id, parse_tree, cache_version, cache_date)
    VALUES (?, ?, ?, ?, ?)
    ON DUPLICATE KEY UPDATE parse_tree = VALUES(parse_tree),
    	cache_version = VALUES(cache_version),
    	cache_date = VALUES(cache_date)
    Params: post, 436530, a:2:{i:0;a:4:{s:3:"tag";s:5:"quote";s:6:"option";s:38:"longtimefan, post: 436490, member: 145";s:8:"original";a:2:{i:0;s:48:"[quote="longtimefan, post: 436490, member: 145"]";i:1;s:8:"[/quote]";}s:8:"children";a:1:{i:0;s:64:"People only look at yards given up...They dont care about points";}}i:1;s:37:" Whatever tickles your funny bone.:)";}, 1458829234, 1462021870
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  22. INSERT INTO xf_bb_code_parse_cache
    	(content_type, content_id, parse_tree, cache_version, cache_date)
    VALUES (?, ?, ?, ?, ?)
    ON DUPLICATE KEY UPDATE parse_tree = VALUES(parse_tree),
    	cache_version = VALUES(cache_version),
    	cache_date = VALUES(cache_date)
    Params: post, 436537, a:2:{i:0;a:4:{s:3:"tag";s:5:"quote";s:6:"option";s:38:"longtimefan, post: 436490, member: 145";s:8:"original";a:2:{i:0;s:48:"[quote="longtimefan, post: 436490, member: 145"]";i:1;s:8:"[/quote]";}s:8:"children";a:1:{i:0;s:64:"People only look at yards given up...They dont care about points";}}i:1;s:26:" WOW I care about points.";}, 1458829234, 1462021870
    Run Time: 0.001121
  23. INSERT INTO xf_bb_code_parse_cache
    	(content_type, content_id, parse_tree, cache_version, cache_date)
    VALUES (?, ?, ?, ?, ?)
    ON DUPLICATE KEY UPDATE parse_tree = VALUES(parse_tree),
    	cache_version = VALUES(cache_version),
    	cache_date = VALUES(cache_date)
    Params: post, 436540, a:2:{i:0;a:4:{s:3:"tag";s:5:"quote";s:6:"option";s:38:"GreenBlood, post: 436488, member: 1198";s:8:"original";a:2:{i:0;s:48:"[quote="GreenBlood, post: 436488, member: 1198"]";i:1;s:8:"[/quote]";}s:8:"children";a:1:{i:0;s:310:"It's not difficult to defend at all. The only way you can call the Packers defense the worst is if you only look at yards. The single most important statistic for a defense is points allowed. Going into the final game against the Lions (where our best players all sat the pine) they were 11th in that category.";}}i:1;s:550:" Meh. Our D forced quite a few turnovers last year, which helped the points allowed mark. But you can't count on that again this year; it's a wildly inconsistent statistic that usually returns to the mean. e.g., Compare the turnover ratio between the 2009 Saints (Superbowl champs) and the 2010 Saints. The Packers aren't finishing +24 in turnover ratio again next year, not even close. Last year, the Packers weren't getting off the field on third down often enough. We can quibble about statistics but the defense didn't pass the eye test...";}, 1458829234, 1462021870
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  24. INSERT INTO xf_bb_code_parse_cache
    	(content_type, content_id, parse_tree, cache_version, cache_date)
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    ON DUPLICATE KEY UPDATE parse_tree = VALUES(parse_tree),
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    Params: post, 436618, a:1:{i:0;s:225:"Scoring is of course very important but they can't score if their offense is sitting on the sideline. And what naturally follows is that our offense will be on the field longer and then scoring more points for the good guys.";}, 1458829234, 1462021870
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  25. INSERT INTO xf_bb_code_parse_cache
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