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The Next Packer Kicker?

Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by TOPHAT, Aug 15, 2007.

  1. TOPHAT

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    http://www.packersnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070814/PKR01/70814216/1989

    Mike Vandermause column: Rayner will find no sympathy in NFL


    You can’t help feeling sorry for Green Bay Packers kicker Dave Rayner. He proved he could kick in the clutch last season with a late, game-winning field goal against the Minnesota Vikings. He proved he could perform in the cold, swirling winds at Lambeau Field. He proved he could stand up to the pressure of replacing Ryan Longwell, the franchise’s all-time leading scorer who departed in free agency. How was Rayner rewarded? The Packers drafted a kicker — Mason Crosby — who stands a decent chance of taking his job. Welcome to life in the National Football League, where the prevailing question seems to be: What have you done for us lately? Rayner and Crosby are locked in a heated training camp battle that will likely go down to the wire. Packers special teams coordinator Mike Stock has been coaching football for 43 years and has never seen anything like it. “Never been that fortunate,” Stock said on Tuesday. “This is unique. It’s kind of fun to watch because these guys care an awful lot. They have a great passion for the game. And they have a strong desire to exceed, excel. There’s great pride for both of those people.” Rayner made 26 of 35 field goals (74.3 percent) last season, including a Packers’ record-tying 54-yarder. Crosby converted 66 of 88 field goals (75 percent) in four years at Colorado.

    In nearly three weeks of training camp competition, Crosby holds a slim edge. He has booted 71 of 84 field-goal attempts (84.5 percent); Rayner has converted 68 of 85 (80 percent). Both have exhibited strong legs. Both produced touchbacks in the Packers’ first preseason game at Pittsburgh. Both made field goals in that game. It’s a shame the Packers must let one of them go. Rayner understands how it works, and he isn’t looking for sympathy. “That’s the business,” he said. “That’s the NFL. No matter how well you do one year, they’re always looking to get somebody else, or (add) some competition to keep you improving. You can’t blame the Packers. You can blame the business.” Packers holder Jon Ryan has a front-row seat and says the competition is too close to call. “Every single kick counts,” Ryan said. “Every single kick is criticized and looked at from eight different angles.”

    Despite the high stakes, there is no animosity between Rayner and Crosby. “He’s a good kid,” Rayner said. “I have nothing bad to say about him. I wish him luck. I hope I beat him out. I hope he doesn’t kick here. Wherever he goes, I wish him luck.” Rayner has operated at a slight disadvantage during the past week because he has been paired with backup holder Aaron Rodgers more often than Crosby. Ryan is clearly a better holder than Rodgers. Although coaches have alternated holders every other practice, a significant disparity exists. According to statistics compiled by the Press-Gazette, Rayner and Rodgers have teamed up on 20 field goals since Rodgers started holding on Aug. 7. Crosby and Rodgers have been paired together on just three field goals over the same span. No one ever said life was fair, especially in the cut-throat world of pro football. Rayner knows that better than anyone.
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    http://packers.scout.com/a.z?s=61&p=2&c=668223

    Crosby takes lead

    If Monday's practice is any indication, Mason Crosby has grabbed the lead over Dave Rayner in the enteraining kicking battle. Punter Jon Ryan, who held for Rayner last season, was paired with Crosby for all five field goal attempts in the afternoon practice. Crosby made all seven attempts ( distances of 32, 39, 44, 46 and 53 yards) while Rayner's only miss was from 53 yards. The fact that Crosby was paired with Ryan, who will be the team's punter again this year, was somewhat telling. Rayner was paired with backup holder Aaron Rodgers. Coach Mike McCarthy said after practice that the kickers will switch off on holders, so that may be the case in Tuesday's practices, but we'll see. For now, Crosby has the advantage in this battle. He has made a few more kicks in practice and booted a 52-yarder through the uprights Saturday night.

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  2. Zero2Cool

    Zero2Cool I own a website

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    Who is the next Packer Kicker?

    Another Crosby/Rayner Poll?

    I still say Crosby!!
     
  3. TOPHAT

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    Who is the next Packer Kicker?

    MMMM, Crosby in a landslide so far. I'll check the other sites.
     
  4. TOPHAT

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    Okay, but what do you do with Rayner, if you keep Crosby? Or vice versa?
     
  5. Tiger

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    Who is the next Packer Kicker?

    Keep Crosby, he is simply too good a prospect to let go to other teams. I would say try trade Rayner for a low draft pick if possible, if not then release him.
     
  6. yooperfan

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    Who is the next Packer Kicker?

    Keep em both and turn one or the other into a tight end.

    Just kidding folks, but I hate to see either one let go. Nobody will trade for one of them when they know one will be released and can be had for the price of a phone call.
     
  7. TOPHAT

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    SCOUT'S PREDICTION

    http://www.packerupdate.com/packer_update/2007/08/rookie-kicker-1.html

    ROOKIE KICKER LOOKS SPECIAL

    ...one thing is already perfectly clear 16 days into training camp - Mason Crosby is special. “The kid’s going to be one of the best in the game,” predicted a former scout. “He’s close to perfect. He has a compact deliver, an incredibly strong leg and supreme confidence. That’s pretty much the trifecta for a kicker."...The two are locked in a virtual dead heat. If nothing changes, general manager Ted Thompson will ultimately have to decide between a proven kicker with good skills and an unproven kicker with special skills. “If the competition remains close,” said the scout, “I would expect Crosby to get the nod. In a league where the word ‘great’ is used far too liberally, this kid truly has a chance to be just that.”
     
  8. Raider Pride

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    Who is the next Packer Kicker?

    Does anyone know who will be cheaper? The cap may indeed be the decider. I like them both.
     
  9. DakotaT

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    How about we keep them both until it is time for Koren Robinson's reinstatement (We'd only keep 5 receivers). By then the teams that desperately need a kicker will surface and we can make a trade.

    I'd say keep Crosby. After watching Longwell kickoff to the 15 yard line for years, seing a kicker put them in the end zone is refreshing.

    Dilemmas like these are a good thing boys.
     
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    Re: Who is the next Packer Kicker?

    DakotaT is a wise cookie.

    Dakota you have just elevated yourself in R.P.'s Packer Forum must read Poster List.

    Well done.

    R.P.
     
  11. starpass

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    Who is the next Packer Kicker?

    I agree...keep them both...Rayner for Kick-offs and Crosby for field goals...
     
  12. all about da packers

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    Who is the next Packer Kicker?

    Until a few days ago, I firmly believed Rayner would win.

    Now I'm not so firm in my belief, but I still think Rayner holds the edge, because of experience.

    You know what you're getting with him since he played all 16 games last year.

    Kudos to Crosby though, he's made things real interesting.
     
  13. tromadz

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    Who is the next Packer Kicker?

    I'm firm in my belief that we will have a good kicker.
     
  14. porky88

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    Who is the next Packer Kicker?

    Strange. Here is' 25 to 2 in favor of Mason Crosby. WLUK FOX 11 did a poll not so long ago and 70% said Rayner would be the kicker on opening day.
     
  15. TOPHAT

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    Re: Who is the next Packer Kicker?



    FASCINATING, ISN'T IT?



    :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
     
  16. Zero2Cool

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    Here is why we will keep Crosby instead of Rayner!!

    Crosby, Mason P/K GBP 285000.00
    Rayner, Dave P/K GBP 435000.00


    hahah jus some tightwadTed humor people
     
  17. Pack93z

    Pack93z You retired too? .... Not me. I'm in my prime

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    He loves the Packers money :thumbsup:

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    Ted hometown :razz:

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  18. Zero2Cool

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    Who is the next Packer Kicker?

    You should change that Pop. 53
     
  19. Pack93z

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    I don't have photoshop on this pc... I missed that... good idea :)
     
  20. TOPHAT

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    http://www.packerupdate.com/packer_update/2007/08/shhhheres-wha-1.html

    SHHH..HERE'S WHAT WE'RE HEARING

    General manager Ted Thompson should be able to trade one of his young kickers at the end of training camp. Both Mason Crosby and Dave Rayner are having great summers, and there are a handful of teams looking to upgrade at that position.....
     
  21. all about da packers

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    From JSOnline:

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    A rookie impressing a teams Strength and Conditioning coach is impressive.

    Seems like I may very well be mistaken in picking Rayner; Crosby seems like a 6th round gem thus far.
     
  22. RainX

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    Who is the next Packer Kicker?

    This is definitely one of the more intriguing training camp battles.

    On the one hand you have Rayner, who is entering his 3rd year in the NFL. GB claimed him off waivers from Indy last season after the Colts signed Vinateri and did well enough in training camp for the Packers to cut Billy Cundiff and give Dave the starting job. He did okay in 16 games, but was ranked near the bottom of the NFL in FG accuracy last season. Considering all he did his rookie season was be a kickoff specialist, considering 2006 was his first full year as a full-time kicker, he didn't do to bad.

    Then you have Crosby. The kid was the #1 ranked kicker going into the '07 draft and many experts thought he'd go somewhere in the mid-rounds. Even if many experts weren't high on the Packers '07 draft overall, many of them thought getting Crosby in the 6th like we did was one of the steals of the draft. He kicked at Colorado, and we know how cold it can be there, which can only help him kicking on the frozen tundra. He's done well in training camp including the 52 yarder against Pittsburgh. That being said, being the #1 ranked kicker in the draft doesn't necessarily mean a whole lot. ******* was the #1 ranked punter in the '03 draft and we all know how that turned out.

    At this point, you have to give a bit of an edge to Crosby, just because of his slightly better play in training camp and overall potential. Rayner has done well for us, but whether he is going to improve on his accuracy over last season has yet to be seen. Crosby could be great for us, but he might also not pan out to much. It's going to be interesting to see which direction the Packers go in once training camp is done if both keep playing well.
     
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    That is good D. Wow.

    The last part too. I got sick of seeing our opponents starting every drive on the 35 yard line with a 20 yard return. Without giving up a first down they would have us pinned back after a decent punt.

    This year we get a touchback, they start from the 20 and go three and out, punt, we start on our own 40, run five times, pass five times, TOUCHDOWN!

    It's going to be so simple it might actually get boring. The only thing our punter has to worry about is not letting his leg fall asleep on the bench!
     
  24. TOPHAT

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    Amusing and well said. Welcome aboard a great forum.
     
  25. porky88

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    I think you got to keep Crosby. He's been more consistent so far and he can kick in the cold. Rayner did well last year but not good enough in my opinion. I thought he was decent. Crosby looks like the real deal to me. If you think this is just another stupid kicking battle. Ask Tom Brady what he thinks of kickers? Adam Vinetari's kicks will make Brady into the next Joe Montana instead of Jim Kelly.
     

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