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it would make sense that teams Run the ball more when in a substantial lead in the 4th Quarter or to close out a game. Late game Rushes for 1 yard don’t bode well for an average.
First of all, rushes for 1 yard mostly don't help close out games either.
You’ll see this when closing out games where the clock is a bigger help than the raw yards. In particular I’ve noticed guys like Dillon have a lower average in some games, but as I displayed one time his 1st Down are high % compared to Aaron Jones per carry load. He’s often used more like a Fullback. That 1 yard less average is not indicative of a failure though if he’s moving the chains or scoring from the 2 yard line TD.
While I agree with that teams use running backs to get that tough one yard or score from the 2-yard line that's true for the first three quarters of a game as well.
If you have ability to break out QB’s kneel downs only, which seems really odd btw that would be a variable stat but they’d include other QB runs? Who does a play by play analysis across 10 seasons or across 6,000 games to determine which QB rush is a kneel down to close a Half and what is a legitimate Rushing attempt. Sounds like a conspiracy for QB’s!
I use Stathead to figure out those stats. It's pretty easy to make a difference between a QB kneel and a legit rushing attempt.
If you can break down 4th quarter only. Do you have the ability to compare Quarter by Quarter let’s see that 3rd Quarter is my interet? Id prefer QB’s not even be in that stat as we were really discussing RB’s Rushing success. By quarter would be preferred
Here are the numbers for each quarter last season and in the past 10 years:
Q1: 4.55 / 4.39
Q2: 4.75 / 4.49
Q3: 4.84 / 4.58
Q4: 4.37 / 4.25
It's interesting to note that the average increases over the first three quarters but declines in the fourth.
Yeah I caught that late. It’s a weird stat because we were really talking about RB success rates. We weren’t even debating how good Aaron Rodgers runs the ball, nor do I want our QB running the ball for that matter. It goes against my entire argument of using Our RB duo more. Captain is arguing that using our RB more wouldn’t have helped earlier last season. But when we did we immediately started winning more games if we recall.
For the record, you were advocating the Packers should have run the ball more often last season but we weren't specifically talking about solely using the running backs more often.
I'm arguing that during the games the offense struggled to successfully run the ball it wouldn't have made a whole lot of sense to continue doing it just for the sake of it. They improved running the ball once the unit had a legit deep threat in Watson which resulted in opponents not being able to load the box anymore.
We continually were scoring 17pts per in Offense doing it your way. Matt himself said he didn’t realize they had ignored the Run as much as they did. I was noticing it and I wasn’t alone. Reporters brought it up several times because many were perplexed when they say how bad we were failing trying to force throws. It was one of the single worst seasons in Rodgers near 2 decades of seasons and you’re still defending that failed methodology. We 100% know it didn’t work to ignore our RB’s earlier in the season. I’m 100% sure that was a failed strategy because an Aaron Rodgers led team running the ball 19 times all day and scoring 17.4 pts per game is embarrassing. Now you can argue your way was working, but it didn’t show up on the scoreboard.
You completely misunderstand the point I'm trying to make. I don't suggest the passing game worked great but there were several games in which the rushing attack struggled as well. In those games it wouldn't have made any sense to run the ball more often just for the sake of doing it.
It’s interesting though on this whole deal, that once Matt publicly recognized and admitted they were deficient in RB involvement? They corrected it down the stretch and we got hot. That wasn’t just lucky.
I guess finally having a legit deep threat in Watson had a lot more impact on the offense improving than running the ball more often.
I’m happy because that terrible methodology got Aaron Rodgers Run right out of town.
The Packers not running the ball more often (according to your opinion) wasn't one of the reasons the Packers want to move on from Rodgers.
However it’s common sense that until our QB gets acclimated you should rely on your veteran RB group more. That goes for any deficiency group you should lean on Veterans more.
I agree the Packers should rely on Jones and Dillon entering the season. Love will have to prove he can beat defenses throwing the ball as well though. Otherwise they will load the box once again and make it tough to run on them.
Funny under Mike McCarthy we did this EXACT sane thing at TE as we did last year at RB. We ignored 2 Free Agent TE’s that both had years of positive Receiving Experience. Lance Kendrick’s and Marcedes Lewis were ignored all season long and we suffered.
Look at Lance Kendrick’s before GB and then AT the Packers. He went from 55 Targets per game over 6 seasons to 30 Targets per game under Mike McCarthy.
Before coming to GB Marcedes Lewis had 50.4 targets per season with 48 targets in his last season in Jacksonville for 348 yards and 5 TD’s!!
In GB he had 11.5 targets per season over 2 seasons and 1 TD total over his first 2 seasons??
What in the world was Mike doing?? No wonder why they Ran MM out of town he was deficient in the frontal Cortex
You need to consider that both Kendricks and Lewis were the #1 receiving tight ends on their respective teams before signing with the Packers. In Green Bay, those teams featured Martellus Bennett (who despite only playing in seven games had 38 targets) and Jimmy Graham (89 targets) though.