The Jordan Love Era Begins

Will Jordan Love be 3 in a row for the Packers?

  • Yes, he's a FHOF Player

    Votes: 4 5.6%
  • He'll be pro bowl good but not FHOF good

    Votes: 20 27.8%
  • He'll be average

    Votes: 12 16.7%
  • No, he'll be a below average bust

    Votes: 4 5.6%
  • Too early to Tell

    Votes: 32 44.4%

  • Total voters
    72
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Lynch had been breaking tackles on every play in that drive. I could not believe they didn't give it to him.

As I have been trying to state, though maybe not clearly enough, there is a difference between breaking tackles down field vs. at the goal line.

Lynch's success on 3rd or 4th and short was 1/8 for the year. And throwing when they did assured them of three tries, unless they commit a turnover. Which of course they did, so the decision behind what they did is ignored.
 

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they had a time out left.
Correct.

The idea behind throwing on the first attempt from the 1 was a safe throw that either hits the dirt or TD. And this was a safe throw. I believe it was th first and only pick on a throw from the 1 all season.

By throwing early, you make the defense defend both on the 2nd and 3rd attempt because you can use the time out then.
 

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I can remember thinking game over. They'll give it to Lynch and game over. No way they can stop him right now. And at that time, I wanted the patriots to win. And looking back it was evidently the right call for Bellichek not to call a time out. Didn't give them time to think.
 
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If they run and don’t make it, they burn the TO and they “have” to throw the last 2 downs.
Not with :29 seconds. It’s a bang bang run play it’s not like you are running down the field to reset there. :23 seconds at the Tackle (if there is one). The time it takes to reset the ball going from the 2 yard line to the 2 yard line? :12 sec area. Teams do it all the time in :15-20 seconds 35 yards down field.
IF he misses it’s 3rd n 1 with :11-12 seconds gameclock at the next snap and Pete would take a TO worst case with :03 on the clock. He only needs :01 to run a 4th down try there he’s not trying to save his Timeout.

Pete could also call a Timeout immediately after a 2nd down failed attempt with :23 seconds left. He’s going to have 2 plays called on 3rd down after a Timeout (they always do there won’t be a huddle). If he goes that route he’d call a Pass play in the Paint on 3rd and it takes :06.

Plenty of scenarios to get 3 tries there this is Pete Carrol he’s not a dummy. Seattle easily has 3 tries if they Run on 2nd down. This video was 1st Down btw I’m not sure if you saw what just happened the very play before. The Marshawn Demolition gained 4 yards and very nearly scored. Saying he can’t run 1 yard is ridiculous.

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Does the play at :45 sec look like a guy that can’t score at the goal line? What about the one at 5:30?
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I will say to bring this back home. Jordan can learn to see another down a little better in a similar scenario. Sometimes it’s ok to throw it away or run it out of bounds and just live to see another down.
 
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Not with :29 seconds. It’s a bang bang run play it’s not like you are running down the field to reset there. :23 seconds at the Tackle (if there is one). The time it takes to reset the ball going from the 2 yard line to the 2 yard line? :12 sec area. Teams do it all the time in :15-20 seconds 35 yards down field.
IF he misses it’s 3rd n 1 with :11-12 seconds gameclock at the next snap and Pete would take a TO worst case with :03 on the clock. He only needs :01 to run a 4th down try there he’s not trying to save his Timeout.

Again, by throwing on 2nd down, he keeps the threat of run OR pass for 3rd and 4th down. If he runs and doesn't make it on 2nd, he has less options.

Throwing on 2nd gave the most flexibility on the follow up downs.

Saying he can’t run 1 yard is ridiculous.

Again though, he wasn't good at picking up that 1 yard during the regular season.
 
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Again, by throwing on 2nd down, he keeps the threat of run OR pass for 3rd and 4th down. If he runs and doesn't make it on 2nd, he has less options.

Throwing on 2nd gave the most flexibility on the follow up downs.



Again though, he wasn't good at picking up that 1 yard during the regular season.
What’s done is done. But saying Lynch can’t get a yard in probably 2 legit running plays is just really reaching. A 1 yard run is 95% a Seattle SB win and we know a stop is 2 more plays. Why not just take that bonus run and likely end the game? Who cares about that you might have to throw once later? You get 3 tries and the Run game has been working.

Marshawn was interviewed by Shannon Sharpe a few years ago and I think both were amazed Lynch didn’t get to put the nail in the Coffin.

Again. I hope we learned from these situations in The Jordan Era and learn that it’s ok to take a bonus play there if you have 3 tries. If you miss you still get 2 more chances. I might’ve even rolled Wilson out left on an option to draw a Defender in and throw it out of the back of the Endzone if it’s tight coverage or loft a short 5 yard pass if broken coverage etc. or just run it if the Defender plays in a pickle. Russ was pretty nifty on his feet himself if I recall back in 2013.
Live to see all 3 tries you never know when Lynch gets left running free etc.

The same applies with Love (or any young QB) he forced a throw to end that last playoff drive. This would’ve been ok on 4th down OR with :03 seconds gameclock etc. Not getting down on #10 I’m a big fan and I enjoyed the season, we rocked it.
Great players still try to get better. That play still showed some Rook there. It doesn’t negate a wonderful season but it also doesn’t negate attempting to learn if presented the same down n distance n clock. If #10 learns to put an extra yard on those longer throws, learns to clean up small details, learns to live to see another play to increase odds in similar situations to SF49s?
I think he’s a top 10-12 QB in a bad year. Plenty good enough to Win in Postseason.
 
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Is it a coincidence that suddenly every Packer receiver we pick shows something?
Watson, Doubs, Toure, Reed, Wicks, Dubois. As well as 2 UDFAs in Melton and Heath, and 2 TEs in Musgrave and Kraft.

That's 100% on 8 receivers drafted. Of course our 7th rounders have had very modest production but have shown flashes.

Yes, there were some deep WR drafts and an all time great TE draft. But how can we suddenly get really good at picking them? I don't think it is a coincidence, though I'm not really sure why.
I suspect it's certainly part scouting, but more and more over the past year I've come to strongly believe that this is largely the work of the WR coach/passing game coordinator Jason Vrable. I very much think he's the unsing hero, the secret sauce behind our passing game's explosion last year.

I don't care how good your sccouting is, to have that many rookies come together so completely in just a matter of months and play that exceptionally well is either incredibly good luck or incredibly good coaching. Probably some of both, but moreso coaching I think.

The way they just all gelled in November; the footwork, the situational awareness, the use of space, the awareness of the sideline, the positioning of their bodies while running routes... these players didn't look at all like a bunch of kids who'd been cramming for final exams in their door rooms just 6 months earlier. They looked like experienced, savvy veterans, they got to that point awfully damned fast. I think that was largely coaching.

Word form the players seems to support that; Vrable got very little attention from the press last season (which I loved to see; I don't want him to get noticed and snatched up for a promotion by some oither team), but several of the Kids mentioned him a numbr of times and credited him with showing them how to turn their light bulbs on.
 

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I’m not sure who’s guessing Seattle had a 12.5% chance to score? Marshawn’s weight to Power alone creates a momentum to Win against a LB or DB if he makes the 1.5-2 yardline. Its a game of 6 on 6 on from the Center (5 D players are eliminated from this play that are to the right of the Center. A very quick pitch left to Marshawn, which Russel is good at like Rodgers.. and let him find the left Pylon (gives him a chance to use the Sideline to get a free Timeout if he doesn’t find a cut lane) imo? Worst case he’s getting caught around the 2 and that’s probable if someone makes a huge play and trips Marshawn. If not I think he scores on the first try.

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Also Seattle had 3 tries with a 1/2 minute and a Timeout, plus the Sideline is a free Clock stop. They ain’t kicking a FG here. It’s 4-Down and it’s 2nd Down so that analyst expert you are following doesn’t even know the Down?
I apologize for being confused. Are you advocating Beastmodes weight to power or him outrunning the defense to the pylon?
 

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What play has a better chance of something really bad happening? Run or Pass?

In a vacuum, I'd call it roughly equal. You can turn it over on either. You can lose yards on either.

Throwing from the 1 yard line, the pass was actually safer that year. In the immediate aftermath of the game, there was a flurry of stat lookups. My recollection it that Wilson's pick in the Super Bowl was the only one for the entirety of the regular and post season.

In other words, an incredibly safe decision.
 
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I apologize for being confused. Are you advocating Beastmodes weight to power or him outrunning the defense to the pylon?
A little of both, but probably more Power. If Lynch gets a quick pitch he’s already got momentum and he was not exactly slow in his prime. Pretty good chance he’s going to find a crease and exploit it. There is also a slight chance he goes lateral towards the pylon and gets run out of bounds which is fine, free timeout.
Even if you grab him at the 2 yard line and he’s made his cut? I’d argue his Power transfer is hard to stop because he’s so compact and strong in small spaces.
He’s likely making the goal line imo but there’s also a chance they get caught back around LOS…Pete would just call a TO and drum up 2 plays. Either way they should not have passed on 2nd down no need to there. What are you trying to score and give Tom Brady 2 Timeouts and over a half minute to get in FG range? Risky, use the 7 seconds and if you do score on 3rd down there’s under :20 seconds left.

Take the free 2nd down bonus run play there is my contention. That 2nd Down ifrom the 1 yard line with just under :30 sec is at worst a coin flip for a SB Championship. Why risk a throw into tight windows or traffic on a 2nd down?? You do that on 3rd or 4th depending on gameclock. It’s one of the rare bad decisions by Pete. With a Timeout? you’d only strike at the paint on a 4th down OR a 3rd down to either get a TD or clock stop. 2nd down is a bonus play, unless you see just some stupid bad broken D coverage.

In an odd way, that Seattle forced error was similar to our mistake we made on our last wild throw against SF. Just throw it away there and get a quick clock stop. It’s not 4th down. Thats a totally acceptable wild 4th down type throw, but unacceptable with 3 tries.
 
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