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The Future at FB

Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by RyanO4, Apr 13, 2015.

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What do you want for the future at FB?

Poll closed Apr 30, 2015.
  1. Draft Jalston Fowler - FB - Alabama

    4 vote(s)
    26.7%
  2. Draft Mark Weisman - FB - Iowa

    1 vote(s)
    6.7%
  3. Draft Ben Koyack - TE - Notre Dame

    2 vote(s)
    13.3%
  4. No longer use the position

    4 vote(s)
    26.7%
  5. K-U-U-U-U-U-H-H-H-H-N-N until the end of time

    4 vote(s)
    26.7%
  1. RyanO4

    RyanO4 Cheesehead

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    It's great that the Packers resigned Kuhn at the right price, but it is clearly going to be his final year with the team. He does bring great experience and leadership to the team. More importantly K-U-U-U-U-U-U-U-H-H-H-H-N-N will still be heard around Lambeau and away stadiums.

    But back to my point, many believe FB is a dying position and is no longer needed. I personally believe that the position is still of good use to the Packers and there are a few suggestions I have for the future.

    1. The first and most obvious one in my opinion is to draft the top FB prospect, who is Jalston Fowler out of Alabama. A former teammate of Eddie Lacy looks to be a winning combination. Plus he looks to be a pretty good receiver and special teams player. Here is WalterFootball.com analysis on him:

    Fowler is the rare fullback prospect who is a powerful load as a lead blocker, can run the football, and is a receiving weapon out of the backfield. Fowler blocked really well for Alabama's talented running backs in 2014. The senior also had 11 catches for 129 yards and two touchdowns, along with 12 carries for 69 yards. Fowler looks to be worthy of a third-day pick with the potential to be a starting fullback and special teams contributor in the NFL. He had a good week at the Senior Bowl and showed that he's ready to compete immediately. While Fowler didn't run fast at the Combine, he looked athletic in the field drills as a runner and receiver.

    2. Another prospect who intrigues me is Mark Weisman, who played FB/HB at Iowa. He reminds me a lot of a young Kuhn because of his productivity in college and running style. He seems a little bit raw and slow, but so was Kuhn when he started out. I'm sure the guy has a lot of heart though like most Hawkeyes. Here's an article on him from Fansided.com, http://nflmocks.com/2014/11/01/examining-iowa-rb-mark-weismans-nfl-prospects/

    3. Another route the Packers could go is to draft a TE to block as a FB, but also be able to be a solid TE. The Packers have been trying this for years now (Crabtree, Quarless, Rodgers, and many others), but in my opinion they really haven't had a true blocking TE. Ben Koyack is a player I like in this role because he has the size, strength, and experience to do it. Plus he is a very solid receiving TE. The Packers would however have to draft him a little higher. Here's CBSsports.com analysis on him:

    STRENGTHS: Versatility could be his calling card in the NFL. Lined up primarily as a lead blocker in the running game both at H-back or fullback in 2013 and saw signification action there as an inline blocker as a senior. Koyack demonstrates strength, flexibility and quickness at the point of attack, routinely sealing the edge or clearing the hole with leverage, physicality and above all else tenacity. As a receiver, Koyack shows impressive burst off the line, is able to sink and accelerate out of cuts, and possesses superb arm length, coordination and soft hands to pluck the ball off his frame. He also exhibits a strong second gear after the catch and the athleticism to break down and make defenders miss in the open field.

    WEAKNESSES: A good developmental prospect but may need a year in an NFL weight room to handle the same duties he was asked to perform at Notre Dame. Good overall weight distribution but still looks more like a big receiver than a traditional NFL tight end. Relatively narrow limbs and could use to gain strength, especially in his upper body. Can be overwhelmed by size and strength as an inline blocker and struggles, at times, to fight through the jam to get into his route. Better burst to separate than true straight-line speed.

    4. Finally, the Packers could just get rid of the position all together. I mean who are we kidding, this is a passing league anyways right? Haha
     
  2. thisisnate

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    Can't say I've given much thought to the future of the team at FB. I would like someone with a one-syllable last name and a pleasing beard.
     
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  3. Vrill

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    Jalston Fowler is hands down the best FB in this draft. He can be had in round 6 easily.
     
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  4. RRyder

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    Id be happy bringing him in as a UDFA and having him replace Kuhn this year but thats about it. FB is simply a position with few benifits that lining a TE at H Back doesnt solve. Wouldnt use a draft pick on one. Not even a 6th rounder for the best one in the draft.

    It'd be like useing a 3rd rounder on a punter....... ughhh freakin Sherman
     
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  5. sjb12681

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    Fb is a non need. Its like discussing a long snapper.

    I do thing that we have a real niche as we will be incorporating that pistol formation which utilizes fb more, but this is more a need that develops out of talent on the team vs seeking a player who has that talent out.

    A squat, powerful middling rb or a small t.e., converted lb can do many of the things most fullbacks are required to do.

    Not discounting Kuhn or any other fb. It is important, but its a true blue collar specialist position like long snapper at this time in the NFL

    Those guys are found in camp, not the draft.
     
  6. Carl

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    Next FB will probably be undrafted. No reason to go into draft looking to target one.
     
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  7. armand34

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    A hybrid like Charles Clay would be ideal, a receiving option capable of blocking that can be motioned anywhere along the or behind the line
     
  8. G0P4ckG0

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    I'd say screw FB and use Lacy in that position with Starks/Cobb at HB for certain plays.
     
  9. captainWIMM

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    ThereĀ“s no reason to spend a draft pick on a FB. With Kuhn being re-signed I doubt the Packers will bring in someone capable of truly challenging him for the spot this season.
     
  10. Carl

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    I'd prefer not to increase the load on our stud RB by also making him a lead blocker.

    Seems like a great way to decrease his longevity.
     
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  11. PikeBadger

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    I like the idea of grabbing Weisman late. Those Iowa guys are tough, high motor guys. Ferentz instills an all out play to the whistle on every play mentality. I wouldn't complain in the least if Thompson drafted a Hawkeye every single year.
     
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  12. adambr2

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    Oh not just that. He traded UP in the 3rd and gave up a 4th and 5th round pick to do so.

    So essentially, Sherman used a 3rd, 4th, and 5th round pick on BJ Sander.

    Making that man a GM was one of the biggest mistakes by this franchise in recent memory.
     
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  13. VAPackfan

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    They know the value of a lead blocker and how it makes Lacy even more punishing. They will be searching for a replacement for Kuhn in the draft. The only thing that stinks is Kuhn is very knowledgeable in this offense. Having him in the backfield is a nice safety net. Anyone remember 4th and 8 Rodger to Cobb? That play doesn't happen without John Kuhn. I think he ends up in the Packer HoF.
     
  14. captainWIMM

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    With Kuhn having been re-signed I would be shocked if Thompson drafts a FB. I doubt the team will even bring in an UDFA to compete with him.
     
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  15. Vrill

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    Jalston Fowler all day. He was also Lacy's FB in College.....
     
  16. captainWIMM

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    Great idea, and while we're at it let's spend another pick on a long snapper to compete with Goode in an effort to improve the special teams. :rolleyes:
     
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    I don't know why it's clearly Kuhn's last year. Kuhn is 32, bur William Henderson was here until he was 35. As long as he stays in good enough shape and healthy enough to keep doing what he's doing and is willing to play for the vet minimum every year, I see no reason he can't hang around for 2-3 more years.

    Looking beyond that, IMO fullback is so far down on the priority list that I'm not too concerned who the future of the position will be here.
     
  18. mradtke66

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    I see that as a reason to get rid of him, honestly.

    The last few years of Henderson's career, he was a shell of his former self. He could more or less get the job done, but his best years were long gone. During the end of his career, we had Vonta Leach who should have been growing into the role. Instead, we cut him and he goes on to be a great player for Houston. And then Henderson retires anyway. Talk about Lose-Lose.
     
  19. adambr2

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    Leach was a nice FB, but I've never once looked back and been concerned with having let him walk. Foster and Ray Rice both had a couple years with Leach and a couple without. There was no noticeable difference in their performance.

    It's hard for me to get too concerned over a position that is so obsolete that it's disappearing from rosters. Guys like Marcel Reese are more like TEs and can be used in different roles. The traditional one-trick pony lead blocking fullback is almost dead. Teams want versatility. Lead blocking is starting to become a skillset to look for in a TE so you don't have to carry a FB.

    So to be perfectly blunt and honest, they can carry Kuhn for a few more years, sign a UDFA fullback, or get rid of the position entirely and it really doesn't matter to me that much because I just don't think it's that important.
     
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  20. mradtke66

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    The position that we don't need a new fullback is one thing. That we should ride the Kuhn horse until its dead buried is another.

    If we shift his role to a versatile TE/H-Back or a new fullback, I don't care. But we should start training his replacement sooner rather than later.

    Hypothetically, I don't want him to start breaking down next year week 3 when we kept him at the expense of a young, up and comer.
     
  21. Vrill

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    I see no harm in drafting a FB with one of our 3 6th rounders. Chances are, anyone drafted in the 6th round wont make the club. So why not draft the best FB available if hes there? Besides, Fowler doubles up as a RB too. Hes also a great receiver out of the backfield. Can line up out wide too.
     
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  22. captainWIMM

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    It would be a complete waste of a pick. Kuhn played 10.5% of the snaps during the first 14 games last season before Rodgers injured his calf in Tampa. There's absolutely no need to spend a draft pick on a backup at an seldom used position.

    BTW there's no way Fowler could line up out wide in the NFL other than on some gimmick plays.
     
  23. Vrill

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    Marcel Reese does...and Fowler is a better blocking version of Reese. Fowler lined up all over the field for Alabama. Hes one of the most versatile FB's ive seen in a while.
     
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  24. captainWIMM

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    Reece is build like a TE and ran a 4.42 40 at his Pro Day. Fowler (4.86) is significantly slower than the Raiders FB. He won't be able to get open against NFL defensive backs.

    There's no reason for the Packers to line up a FB out wide with the receivers currently on the roster. Kuhn is one of the best blocking FBs in the league but still didn't get on the field for more than 10% of the snaps. I really don't see what another FB would offer to the Packers offense.
     
  25. HardRightEdge

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    Tyler Varga was brought up as a low round possibility somewhere buried in one of these draft threads.

    My initial reaction was to dispense with him as a tweener at 5'11" but only 222 lbs., running a 4.7. Some Combine reports had him cut like nobody else in this draft so he's not likely to put on more good weight.

    But every time I think about his Senior Bowl performance, I can't help see him as possibility. As a blocker, he plays with aggression...I recall him attacking and standing up a DE from the FB position. As a runner, the guy has extremely quick feet and agility. He looked like a slot receiver on the couple of balls they threw to him.

    He did 23 lifts at the Combine, same as Fowler and your typical ILB.

    He's an all-around FB/TB/athlete...run some, catch some, block some. I'd like him in the backfield a lot better than any of our TEs, you'd figure he's smart being out of Yale, a trait valued in Kuhn.

    I would not mind seeing him picked with one of our 6th. rounders if he lasts that long, which he probably won't. He'd obviate the need for a blocking TE, could play special teams, would work as the #3 TB, and even run routes out of the slot for a look that defenses have not seen out of this offense.

    I would not spend a high pick on a tweener player like this, but in the lower rounds there's value.
     
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