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The clock is ticking on Jeff Janis

Discussion in 'Green Bay Packers Fan Forum' started by JLW_51, May 22, 2017.

Will Jeff Janis make a contribution to the Packers offense this season

  1. Yes

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    37.2%
  2. No

    27 vote(s)
    62.8%
  1. bigbubbatd

    bigbubbatd Cheesehead

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    That is crazy. Going off regular season stats Bush had almost twice as many passes defended than Janis has had catches (28 to 15). He has also had more interceptions than Janis has had tds (4 to 1). Even if you include the playoffs to include Janis' 1 good game you have to include Bush's huge int in the Super Bowl.

    Bush was vastly superior to Janis and Bush wasn't very good
     
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  2. captainWIMM

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    Janis has only had three productive games at best as a wide receiver over three seasons with the Packers with his best one coming in the playoffs at Arizona in which he caught two hail mary passes on which route running is negligible.

    In my opinion it's pretty obvious he will never be able to fully grasp the playbook and therefore should never get any meaningful playing time aside of specific plays or once injuries struck at the position.
     
  3. Arthur Squires

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    It's amusing how people say Janis is trash and only had 1 good game, a PLAYOFF GAME at that!! But when you look at it, he didn't just catch 2 big deep passes which is hard enough. But he also made a master sideline catch in the 2nd Q on 3rd and 8 for 1st down. Made a tight catch over the middle took the big hit and held on to ball for 13yd gain. Plus probably my favorite play of that game was when Rodgers had to scramble right and throw to a improvising Janis who found hole in endzone and made sliding TD catch. Now how can people say he is garbage with only 1 good game. When the only game he received significant snaps in was very successful for him. Its not like you see Wrs step up all the time and play games like he had. He is what he is. A 7th Rd pick with athletic ability and size who can contribute in many phases of ST. I don't see people saying he should be starting every week like he's the next Jordy, but it seems everyone is saying negative Raw-Raw about him. Just my 2 cents!
     
  4. OldSchool101

    OldSchool101 Peerless Beer, Lacrosse WI

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    There's an obvious polarization of fans on the Janis issue and it reminds me of one thing. Our coaching staff knows better than we do and I'll stand by the decision of the Packers coaching and personnel Dept. over public opinion.
    I absolutely welcome someone to come in as a #6 WR and make Jeff look like he is silly puffy on Special teams. Then they need outperform him in a high profile game against a staunch secondary or their first playoff game if given the chance. If he can't do that he's better make it up on Offensive stats to the point there is zero contest. I'm actually 100% on board with that program if that's our #5-#6 type Wideout, and that's not being sarcastic one bit.
    At the same time, I also won't be very happy if our ST reverts back to a 3 ring circus or makes another gaff in a playoff caliber game that costs us another Championship or if said replacement doesn't perform at an elite level starting in his first high caliber playoff game.
     
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  5. Pokerbrat2000

    Pokerbrat2000 Opinions are like A-holes, we all have one.

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    Personally, I have made a lot of Jeff Janis jokes over the years, but I really hoped he would blossom. There is no doubt, he has some of the physical characteristics (size and speed) of what I always like to see in a WR. Sadly, everything you see and read points to the fact that he just hasn't been able to catch (no pun intended) on to what AR and the Packers are doing. I thank him for his 2 hail mary catches against AZ, but I also give Rodgers a lot of credit on both. I loved him on special teams, both returning and as gunner in 2015, but beyond that, he has been a JAG taking up the final WR roster spot in hopes that he can figure things out on offense and continue to contribute as a gunner. Maybe we will see him returning kickoffs again during the preseason and if he excels at that and continues impressing as a gunner, then we may have another year of Jeff Janis posts.
     
  6. swhitset

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    He doesn't need to make the team for that lol... heck we are still talking about Bush...
     
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  7. captainWIMM

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    I'm not saying that Janis is a terrible receiver but he completely lacks understanding of the Packers' offensive scheme. Unfortunately for him in-depth knowledge of the playbook is a requirement to get on the field with Rodgers. There's no doubt he possesses athletic traits that make him an option on specific plays but I highly doubt he will ever turn into anything more than a player on the bottom of the depth chart excelling on special teams.
     
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    bush compiled those 28 pd and 4 int in 9 seasons. janis has played 3. and has 2 td total so he only needs 3 td in next 6 seasons to beat bushs int total.
     
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  9. bigbubbatd

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    You realize how much harder it is to get pd and int than tds right? We can add forced fumbles to bush's numbers too. If Janis has another regular season td it must have come off a return or a rush because espn and other places says he has 1 receiving td in 3 years.

    In 3 years in is 15 receptions for 188 and 1 TD. Undrafted Adam Theilen had 12 receptions for 202 yards and 2 tds in one game just for a fun comparison.

    Janis is what he is at this point. A solid st player who hasn't been able to produce as a wr on a team with a phenomenal qb, a lot of injuries at wr, and who throws the ball a ton
     
  10. Pokerbrat2000

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    He has 2 regular season (1 run, 1 catch) and one playoff TD, so 3 career non-preseason TD's.

    The Hail Mary:



    His 2 regular season TD's came last year.

    One against the Falcons in the first game.

    http://www.packers.com/media-center...-yard-TD/821faaa7-4789-4080-a8e6-4599d128da56

    and this end around in garbage time against the Seahawks last year.

    http://www.packers.com/media-center...ound-run/62a0c5b4-a3e3-4783-9c24-3b96c50c1ac9
     
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  11. bigbubbatd

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    Thanks for doing the work to find all of those. I figured his other one had to be a run or something
     
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    Last Janis related post. Here is the reality of his lack of offensive input.

    Receiving stats regular season
    Janis - 15 catches 188 yards 1 td
    Geronimo Allison - 12 catches 202 yards and 2 tds

    So an undrafted rookie produced almost the exact same stats in one season as Janis has in 3. Allison was inactive 6 games.
     
  13. Pokerbrat2000

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    To be fair, might want to include playoff games ;) But I agree with you, so far Allison is the better WR.

    Career:

    Janis: 43 targets 22 catches 333 yards

    Allison: 30 17 269

    I am just hoping one of the mods merges this thread (hint hint) with the other Janis thread, so that it can eventually catch up to the "Fire Capers" thread. :)
     
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    A 36% approval rating for Janis? Sounds vaguely familiar. ;)
     
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    I leave polls alone until the thread slowly dies and goes to page 5. I am not sure if polls transfer even.
     
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    I honestly didn't want to have to do the math for playoff games. Allison was alright in his first playoff action. The fact that Allison has had that close to the amount of targets as janis has (in like 11 games) shows what the staff and qb think of Janis.
     
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    Maybe Capers and Janis could do a "Thelma and Louise", metaphorically speaking of course, then there will be no need to keep count.
     
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    I didn't realize that Bush played 9 years with us. It seemed to me that it was around 6 and I thought he did great to make it 6 years. Not every guy is going to be a multiple year pro bowl and longtime starter. Guys like Bush have an important though minor role on just about every team. Kudos to him for making a career out of seemingly little compared to his more gifted and well known peers.
     
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    Completely OT, but the Bush discussion brings up a point that drives me nuts - lack of accuracy from supposedly reliable sources. I remember checking around when Hawk became the alltime leading tackler, and there were at least three different numbers credited. In this case, nfl.com appears to have Bush's time with the Pack right http://www.nfl.com/player/jarrettbush/2506719/profile, whereas packers.com seems to have quit counting early in 2010 (although the Years Played is correct under his name) http://nfl.packers.com/history/all_time_roster/player/bush_jarrett/
     
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    I knew I should have stopped it here. But nooooo I says to myself, let's see if this dies out by itself. Silly me. I forgot it was Janis.
     
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    I mostly use Pro Football Reference to look up stats as it seems to me they're pretty accurate.
     
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    This whole discussion of Bush vs. Janis misses an essential point, if the comparison wasn't kinda silly on its face.

    Bush was a special teams captain; Janis is not. Think about what that means. You've got guys on special teams who have never been second and third bananas in their lives. They've been stars since Pop Warner and didn't dream of getting to the NFL to just block and tackle on kicks. You need a guy in the locker room who can communicate that, "this is your job, man, and if you don't do it well you're not going to get your shot."

    According to reports, Ringo is the scout team leader, working with the same special teams guys along with PS guys. Scout team is probably the most anonymous and thankless job in professional sports. You're supposed to emulate what some other guy in some other scheme might do on Sunday which is not exactly the best way to showcase skills and fit. You need guys who communicate it's importance from a player's perspective.
     
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    I have no problem with a particular source. It just amazes me that, in 2017, something like packers.com would publish a page so completely wrong on one of their former players.
     
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    Most great teams set themselves up for injuries with players further back the depthchart that can put your team in position to still win. Janis has proven to be that guy vs Arizona in the playoffs. Why get rid of a player that brings that to the team not to mention the ST value. I wouldn't be surprised if that happened but I don't really understand it!
     

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