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<blockquote data-quote="paulska" data-source="post: 542468" data-attributes="member: 557"><p>I didn't dismiss Tramon, Shields and Hayward- they were at the core of the group I listed as above average starters on defense, and they also served as the best examples of talent that has been developed through coaching (notably Shields and Tramon) to perform at that level.</p><p></p><p>Mike Neal is not an above average starter. He was a basketcase at DE for three seasons and did some mildly good things at OLB, but he's not an above average starter at EITHER DE or OLB for any team in the league. Perhaps we differ on the concept of development- for me it means that a player is playing consistently well over a number of seasons. Anyone can play a decent stretch of games, but that doesn't mean you're consistently one of the better players at your position.</p><p></p><p>Davon House has a ways to go- he got abused as much as he played well (although I really like his physical tools), Nick Perry doesn't seem to have the "it" to perform at a level close to CM3, although he may become serviceable. Worthy is likely only a player who could dominate out of the nickel, but he'll never be a base player, and depending on his health, we may never get good pop out of him on the pass rush. He's still a wait and see proposition at best.</p><p></p><p>I like Mike Daniels, but is he an above average starter? I don't think so. Not saying he's terrible, but he's just a guy, for the most part.</p><p></p><p>My point was that our defense seems to lack BOTH the raw talent to be effective, and the coaching acumen to take players whose attributes don't make them consensus high round talents and help them perform at a high level...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="paulska, post: 542468, member: 557"] I didn't dismiss Tramon, Shields and Hayward- they were at the core of the group I listed as above average starters on defense, and they also served as the best examples of talent that has been developed through coaching (notably Shields and Tramon) to perform at that level. Mike Neal is not an above average starter. He was a basketcase at DE for three seasons and did some mildly good things at OLB, but he's not an above average starter at EITHER DE or OLB for any team in the league. Perhaps we differ on the concept of development- for me it means that a player is playing consistently well over a number of seasons. Anyone can play a decent stretch of games, but that doesn't mean you're consistently one of the better players at your position. Davon House has a ways to go- he got abused as much as he played well (although I really like his physical tools), Nick Perry doesn't seem to have the "it" to perform at a level close to CM3, although he may become serviceable. Worthy is likely only a player who could dominate out of the nickel, but he'll never be a base player, and depending on his health, we may never get good pop out of him on the pass rush. He's still a wait and see proposition at best. I like Mike Daniels, but is he an above average starter? I don't think so. Not saying he's terrible, but he's just a guy, for the most part. My point was that our defense seems to lack BOTH the raw talent to be effective, and the coaching acumen to take players whose attributes don't make them consensus high round talents and help them perform at a high level... [/QUOTE]
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