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Ted Thompson's coaching moves

Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by Cliff, Jan 17, 2007.

  1. dxbfan

    dxbfan Cheesehead

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    Whichever way, I think its fairly clear that TT is involved with the coaching moves that the team makes, whether simply as a stamp of approval, or as a sounding board to the HC or even in a more active capacity.

    Perhaps had this thread been titled "Packers coaching moves" we might have had less debate but then what's the forum for if not debate? :wink:

    Anyway I think the team's coaching moves last year could justifiably have been said to have raised some eyebrows and at times defied logic. For a team as young as the Packers, for a team in the midst of a rebuilding process as the Packers and for a team that has been a victim of its own coaching/GM mistakes you would expect that the team would look for stability and experience from its coaching staff and look not to make the same mistake twice (Schottenheimer). The fact that the coaching roster has seen significant churn, key positions such as the HC, OC, DC and now Asst. HC have all been people with no prior experience at that position is either a function of inexperience in assembling a winning coaching staff or part of a plan that rewards youth and potential over experience and proven capability.
     
  2. porky88

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    Source?
     
  3. Zero2Cool

    Zero2Cool I own a website

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    Source?
     
  4. Cliff

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    I thought a GM's veto power in regard to a HC's staff selections was common knowledge.
     
  5. Cliff

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    It was the right choice if you want to continue to experiement with inexperienced coaches. If a GM intends to get a job done then he should bring in experienced coaches.

    We have heard a lot about how Ted Thompson wants to build his team via the draft but what are TT's objectives to where he wants to lead the Green Bay Packers.
     
  6. Cliff

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    I am not a professional writer but I did my best to get my point across. I apologize for misleading anyone.

    Although in this particular case I think TT and MM are working very closely with respect to the coaching staff. Just MHO.
     
  7. porky88

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    Find evidence to prove it is rather than something you might've just heard or misunderstood and I'll accept it. However I have NEVER heard of a coach not getting the job because the GM did not approve. Maybe the owner but never the GM.
     
  8. all about da packers

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    It might be interesting to see how the whole saga in SD plays out, given that the Chargers GM and Marty have problems... Wonder if the GM there will look to bring his own guy at OC (one who could replace Marty) and thus veto other OC candidates brought up by Marty.
     
  9. Lare

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    Just out of curiosity, do you guys think MM talked to TT about who he was going to hire as OC before he offered Philbin the job, or after he offered Philbin the job?





    I thought so.
     
  10. Zero2Cool

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    I don't get it.
     
  11. porky88

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    What does that prove?

    Absolutely nothing. I said as much in a different post. I'm sure McCarthy goes to Thompson for recommendations or guys he has worked with before to get input but it's not Thompson's final call on who gets the job. It's Mike McCarthy's.

    Do you think Ted Thompson talks to Mike McCarthy about players? Heck Jim Bates spoke highly of Donald Lee and Thompson brought him in. That doesn't mean either or had control over what happen in the player personal department. Not at all. That’s Ted Thompson’s decision. Give credit to people when it’s due but also don’t give false credit.
     
  12. arrowgargantuan

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    i think you guys are getting WAY too caught up in the details.

    but on a purely contractual level, there are checks and balances in everything to prevent the worst case scenario from happening. before an MM hiring goes through, it has to be approved by somebody. no?

    the GM has to be involved in the decisions regarding the coaching staff in order to effectively do his job. the level of involvement would vary from coach to coach. i would imagine a rookie head coach having more restrictions regarding personel hiring in his contract than say...a Gibbs, Schotty, etc.

    i think the real argument here is the level of involvement, which can only be argued by the front office...but aside from that, rookie head coaches=short leash, contratually speaking!
     
  13. Cliff

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    MM talked to TT before he offered Philbin the job.
     
  14. Cliff

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    WRONG!

    Porky, post a link to prove you're right.
     
  15. porky88

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    I bolded some of the stuff. Read through it if you'd like. Whatever the case might be, you were misinformed on the role of who is in charge of hiring the coaches on the staff.

    Not once does it ever state that it's Ted Thompson's decision on who is on McCarthy's coaching staff. It's always up to McCarthy and in case of the last one Mike Sherman made the call to fire Schottenheimer and bring in Jim Bates.

    Pro Football Weekly

     
  16. Zero2Cool

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    Not good enough. Let's have some audio and video with a certified watermark from the Packers and NFL.

    Thanks. :)
     
  17. Cliff

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    LMAO......are you for real??? That does not prove anything my friend.
     
  18. porky88

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    Still waiting on your valid information that states that it's Ted Thompson call on who is on the coaching staff.

    Cardinals Coaching Changes

    Funny that it says Cardinals Coach Ken Whisenhunt is in the earliest stages of assembling his new staff.

    Rather than Cardinals General Manager Rod Graves...

    Falcons Coaching Staff Changes

    No mention of Arthur Blank making the staff hires.

    Also McCarthy always makes references to his respect for Marty Schottenheimer since he hired him back at Kansas City. Never makes references toward their General Manager at the time.
     
  19. refpacker

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    I say we bring back Mike Holgrem....Give up whatever it takes......Seattle used to get beat like a red headed step child every week...then he takes them to the superbowl...Andy Reid, Jim Mora, Mike Sherman, John Gruden, and Steve Mariuchi have all said he is the best coach they have ever known...
     
  20. Bruce

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    This is turning into a mountain over a molehill.

    Ted Thompson has been quite clear that he does not believe in micro-management and that he believes that it is critical that he leave coaching decisions including assembly of staff up to the Head Coach -- who he then evaluates and holds accountable. There are multiple quotes that one could pull up, but I am not being gopher to this silly debate.

    I think Ted has more growing into the job to do, but this is an area he has right.

    Ultimately the GM does have veto power -- he can fire the head coach, but that does not mean that he sets his HC up by trying to do his job.

    Frankly, I wish TT would give MM the feedback that he would like to see him be bolder with his hires, but in no way tell him who to pick.

    GM's can get involved as a measure of last resort -- which TT is nowhere near at this point. That usually has more to do with firing someone on the staff than who to hire. An example in this case would be if TT thought MM needed to focus more on his overall responsibilities and told him his job depended upon turning the offense over to a competent and experienced offensive coordinator. But this clearly did not happen.


    Commenting on the hire specifically -- my disappointment is not an indictment against Philbin. He is a fine man and will fill the role of psuedo offensive coordinator playing 2nd fiddle to MM who really holds the job.

    Don't get me wrong, that is MM perogotive as head coach, but it is not how I think teams best operate -- esp. first time head coaches who have not exactly ripped up the league in their previous tenure as offensive coordinator.

    Philbin said McCarthy asked him during the interview process what he could bring to the offense, and Philbin broke it down rather simply.

    "The three things I hope we accomplish here as long as I'm the coordinator are, number one, that we play fundamentally sound," Philbin said. "Number two, that we're tough, and number three, that we're smart.


    Yes, that sounds good, but of course what would one expect him to say: we will be reckless dumb whimps???

    Philbin is a fine man, but I guess I was hoping for someone with a bit more experience -- Philbin held the dual position of offensive coordinator and offensive line coach at Allegheny College (1990-93), Northeastern University (1995-96) and Harvard (1997-98). Not exactly football hotbeds.

    Oh well, no sense crying over spilled milk. Congratulations Joe and Winston, I wish you nothing but success.

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  21. longtimefan

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    As always Bruce very nicely said..

    But a few things you mentioned stuck out.

    "first time head coaches who have not exactly ripped up the league in their previous tenure as offensive coordinator."

    I am sure you are aware of the offenses Mike ran in New Orleans over the years he was there. But then again recent memory seems to always prevail when talking about someone. In this case it would be his time in Frisco.

    "Philbin said McCarthy asked him during the interview process what he could bring to the offense, and Philbin broke it down rather simply.

    "The three things I hope we accomplish here as long as I'm the coordinator are, number one, that we play fundamentally sound," Philbin said. "Number two, that we're tough, and number three, that we're smart.

    Yes, that sounds good, but of course what would one expect him to say: we will be reckless dumb whimps???"

    Who is really knows what the other guys that had interviews said..Maybe if they were asked the same question they tossed something out there that scared Mike away.

    With that said it still was an excellent piece!
     
  22. dxbfan

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    For whatever it's worth:

    "Notebook: Who'll coordinate offense?

    McCarthy, Thompson aren't saying much about candidates

    By Pete Dougherty
    pdougher@greenbaypressgazette.com


    It's unclear whether Green Bay Packers coach Mike McCarthy is seriously considering going outside the organization to hire an offensive coordinator.


    McCarthy and General Manager Ted Thompson have discussed candidates for the job, but Thompson wouldn't comment on those talks.

    Notebook: Who'll coordinate offense?
     
  23. porky88

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    Bruce said it best. I guess you could say he has "veto" power in he can fire McCarthy and bring in a different coach all together whom would bring in his own coaching staff but Thompson does not make the call on who gets jobs on the coaching staff. That’s McCarthy’s call.

    In your source you missed valid quotes as well such as

    That article is clearly stating that McCarthy gets to make the hire and not Ted Thompson. I know I'm sounding pessimistic about this but I honestly think people need to know who exactly controls what and who deserves credit for what. Remember it’s the Mike Holmgrem coaching tree. Not the Ron Wolf coaching tree.

    McCarthy made the hire of Bob Sanders, Winston Moss, Jago, and now Philibin. Ted Thompson might've played a role in providing his input but McCarthy was the guy who went through the interview process with the candidates. As much as was stated in the quotes Bruce provided.
     
  24. dxbfan

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    Like you Porky, I dont subscribe to the view that TT calls the shots when it comes to coaching decisions and decides who gets the coaching job. I do however think he has views and expresses them to MM. I do also think that while MM doesnt blindly follow TT's suggestions he is likely to consider them. Whether or not those views are for a particular individual or against.
     

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