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In all honesty I'd ask for a fifth not expecting it and hope to land on a 7th or maybe their 2026 6th for our 2026 7th. It makes sense especially if you're committing to Quay with money...you hope Hopper and others can step up or add a vet low cost that is athletically limited but smart like McDuffie. Do it a year early losing him for little to no return but this way get something for sure (comp formula in future could return nothing) and a touch of cash back in the pool.
Yes. Plus Gannon likes to use a higher % of Dime. Green Bay is near ideal for that as it gets BOTH Bullard and Hobbs on the field. This is something I’ve been wanting all year. I didn’t realize Hobbs was playing injured for part of the season or at least Gute referenced that in an interview this week. Both Banks and Hobbs were fighting through injuries to start the season and I think it set them back. Similar to Tom.

Anyway GB had a plethora of DB’s who are more balance Run Defenders. Leaning Slot types. Nixon, Bullard, Hobbs, Williams, McKinney and you could even throw in Oladapo all specialize in Run support. We’re really built for Dime if they want to pull a LB and stick a Safety in there.

That also by default makes adding a quality Run stopping DT even more a priority.
 

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How Edgerrin Cooper was not used was criminal imo. He’s one of our better Downhill disruptive guys and he was primarily used in a passive role. Now maybe he was covering for deficiencies in our pass coverage, but in doing so he literally did a heavy regression instead of increasing his presence. I would’ve preferred sending him downhill more like his Rookie season.

I'd have to look at how we used him in year 1 vs year 2, but off the ball linebackers are going to be in coverage more than they rushing in every scheme. Significantly so.

The exact numbers fluctuate year to year, coach to coach, scheme to scheme, but in general, rushing 5 or more only happens about 30% of the time in the modern NFL. In that 30%, you have to divvy up Quay and Cooper, the safeties, the corners, and the slot or third linebacker depending on personnel groupings.

There just aren't as many opportunities for ILBs to rush.
 
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We definitely need to improve the Online imho. It looks like in the second round there might be a center, a guard and a nose tackle. Any of those positions I'd be happy with. Granted, I don't do much homework on the draft. I can't help thinking trenches before cornerback.
Starting probably late RD2, there’s a clump of the top 5-6 Centers and many boards have variations of who’s in the top 3. Imo from just what limited I’ve read or watched brief film on a few. Theres a solid 5-6 that could start in the NFL week 1. Which infers from our RD2,3,4 selections.
Lew, Brailsford, Logan, Slaughter, Hecht, etc. Logan Jones reminds me of Corey. Strong as an Ox and Day 1 starter. Short arms, but squats a 1/2 VW Bug with 37” vertical at 305lb. Phenomenal Pass blocking technique. He played 26 straight contests not missing 1 snap on O.

I wouldn’t go before pick #84 and one idea would be to move up slightly earlier in RD4 like we did for Evan Williams at #111. There’s a history of good ones into Day 3. Corey Linsley from OSU was earlier Day3. He was fine starting (a little shaky Werk 1 at Seattle) but past that Rodgers never yelled at him again. Lol.

Now at the time fans would’ve been a little agitated starting a Rookie after JC went down. Yet most of these guys are Power 5 All American or All Conference. They mostly swim but we tend to be almost too cautious at times
 
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Starting probably late RD2, there’s a clump of the top 5-6 Centers and many boards have variations of who’s in the top 3. Imo from just what limited I’ve read or watched brief film on a few. Theres a solid 5-6 that could start in the NFL week 1. Which infers from our RD2,3,4 selections.
Lew, Brailsford, Logan, Slaughter, Hecht, etc. Logan Jones reminds me of Corey. Strong as an Ox and Day 1 starter. Short arms, but squats a 1/2 VW Bug with 37” vertical at 305lb. Phenomenal Pass blocking technique. He played 26 straight contests not missing 1 snap on O.

I wouldn’t go before pick #84 and one idea would be to move up slightly earlier in RD4 like we did for Evan Williams at #111. There’s a history of good ones into Day 3. Corey Linsley from OSU was earlier Day3. He was fine starting (a little shaky Werk 1 at Seattle) but past that Rodgers never yelled at him again. Lol.

Now at the time fans would’ve been a little agitated starting a Rookie after JC went down. Yet most of these guys are Power 5 All American or All Conference. They mostly swim but we tend to be almost too cautious at times

I really like Logan as well.

Few guys many aren’t noticing but I know many teams have on their radar is Bryce Foster from Kansas and Luke Petitbon.

Especially Petitbon, a dude with tons of experience, was in my opinion always the most consistent man along his OLs and I feel right now is my pure center #6 or 7.

You didn’t have him so I’ll also say I think Pat Coogan is likely an NFL center at some point in the next couple years out IU by way of ND
 
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I'd have to look at how we used him in year 1 vs year 2, but off the ball linebackers are going to be in coverage more than they rushing in every scheme. Significantly so.

The exact numbers fluctuate year to year, coach to coach, scheme to scheme, but in general, rushing 5 or more only happens about 30% of the time in the modern NFL. In that 30%, you have to divvy up Quay and Cooper, the safeties, the corners, and the slot or third linebacker depending on personnel groupings.

There just aren't as many opportunities for ILBs to rush.
Sure. Realizing some of this schematic with a 4-3 Base you mostly have a pair of DE’s out there. That’s naturally going to lean Pass Coverage snaps as a default. Yet if you go back to 2024? We already had found a way to get Cooper more involved coming down hill. If I recall there was no major schematic change, it was still Hafley.

Coops “assists” went from
2024 30
2025 55

Solo Tackles
2024 57
2025 63

Tackles for Loss (TFL)
2024 13
2025 4

QB hits
2024 7
2025 3

Sacks
2024 3.5
2025 0.5

INT
2024 1
2025 0

QB Knockdowns/Batted Pass combined
2024 4
2025 2

Now what is EYE POPPING??
D SNAPS
2024 491
2025 1,046

There’s no way you can convince me (that with a 213% increase in Year over Year defensive snaps) that he should get less raw, numeric opportunities to be used in Run Support or Pass Rush. So in a funnel, you are correct a ILB is probably used slightly more in the Pass Coverage area, because the bulk of teams Pass more than they do Run. Yet here he clearly was being used in an “assist” capacity over being a primary fixture in the “Solo” spotlight. We never want to hold players back from their known strengths and that’s really one of the primary goals of a DC is to use players to their strengths. Great Coordinating involves finding the best suited role for each player and adjusting schematics to be inclusive. Yet we 213% surely did hold him back because the bulk of production is measurable.

Edgerrin Cooper is best used as a Lead Actor and if you go watch 2024 film or his time at A&M he’s was on full display in a lead role. If you take that away from him you take away his best trait. Momentum Disruptor. In 13 games in Texas he had
83 Tackled
8 Sacks
17 TFL
2 forced fumbles
2 FR
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Btw our Defense faced a mix of 53.5% Pass snaps and 46.5% Run snaps.
 
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Sure. Realizing some of this schematic with a 4-3 Base you mostly have a pair of DE’s out there. That’s naturally going to lean Pass Coverage snaps as a default. Yet if you go back to 2024? We already had found a way to get Cooper more involved coming down hill. If I recall there was no major schematic change, it was still Hafley.

Coops “assists” went from
2024 30
2025 55

Solo Tackles
2024 57
2025 63

Tackles for Loss (TFL)
2024 13
2025 4

QB hits
2024 7
2025 3

Sacks
2024 3.5
2025 0.5

INT
2024 1
2025 0

QB Knockdowns/Batted Pass combined
2024 4
2025 2

Now what is EYE POPPING??
D SNAPS
2024 491
2026 1,046

There’s no way you can convince me (that with a 213% increase in Year over Year defensive snaps) that he should get less raw, numeric opportunities to be used in Run Support or Pass Rush. So in a funnel, you are correct a ILB is probably used slightly more in the Pass Coverage area, because the bulk of teams Pass more than they do Run. Yet here he clearly was being used in an “assist” capacity over being a primary fixture in the “Solo” spotlight. We never want to hold players back from their known strengths and that’s really one of the primary goals of a DC is to use players to their strengths. Great Coordinating involves finding the best suited role for each player and adjusting schematics to be inclusive. Yet we 213% surely did hold him back because the bulk of production is measurable.

Edgerrin Cooper is best used as a Lead Actor and if you go watch 2024 film or his time at A&M he’s was on full display in a lead role. If you take that away from him you take away his best trait. Momentum Disruptor.
Btw our Defense faced a mix of 53.5% Pass snaps and 46.5% Run snaps.
Cooper's stat decline, imho, can be traced to NOT having Wyatt for 1/2 of the year or Clark at DT helping keep blockers off of him. Hafley did a good job with the talent he had, but Gute REALLY needs to get DT size/talent for '26.
 
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Cooper's stat decline, imho, can be traced to NOT having Wyatt for 1/2 of the year or Clark at DT helping keep blockers off of him. Hafley did a good job with the talent he had, but Gute REALLY needs to get DT size/talent for '26.
Yes. Thats part of the recipe and its going to cover several concerns simultaneously.
I’m near positive that’s about to change. Wyatt is our own proven inside balance Run/Pass Defender (of notable quality). Karl strength is Pass Rush imo and I’m not sure if Brinson will develop quickly into a “Kenny” type lead role guy.
We risk losing BOTH DT’s in 2027 FA. Wooden and Brooks were drafted together. It’s time we stepped up at iDT. Might even free up room and sign one of the better players from FA if there’s someone available or work a trade. Might even consider doubling down at DT, such as then backing it with a 2-4th rounder
 

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There’s no way you can convince me (that with a 213% increase in Year over Year defensive snaps) that he should get less raw, numeric opportunities to be used in Run Support or Pass Rush. So in a funnel, you are correct a ILB is probably used slightly more in the Pass Coverage area, because the bulk of teams Pass more than they do Run. Yet here he clearly was being used in an “assist” capacity over being a primary fixture in the “Solo” spotlight.

This seems like semantics. ILBs are inherently "support" players in the run game. They fluctuate based on the DT talent in front of them. Some of it could have been a sophomore slump from him. In run defense, ILB is a scrape and chase position away from him and he can only shoot gaps sparingly and when they are towards him. If the DTs are trash, and sadly, after Wyatt got hurt, ours were, the ILBs are going to look bad.

We never want to hold players back from their known strengths and that’s really one of the primary goals of a DC is to use players to their strengths. Great Coordinating involves finding the best suited role for each player and adjusting schematics to be inclusive. Yet we 213% surely did hold him back because the bulk of production is measurable.

Sure, but you have to balance that with being schematically sound. That means in coverage against the pass most of the time. And interestingly, if he's doing his job, he won't be thrown at as much.



Edgerrin Cooper is best used as a Lead Actor and if you go watch 2024 film or his time at A&M he’s was on full display in a lead role. If you take that away from him you take away his best trait.

Difference in the college game vs. the pro game. Linebackers that aren't prime Ray Lewis or Luke Kuchely (sp?) just aren't the players you design defenses around.

Against the pass, he needs to play coverage most of the time. He had 66 pass rush attempts in 2025 (according to PFF, no grades, just counting) for 32nd in the league for off-the-ball-backers.. Quay is 19th with 77. That's 3.8 vs. 4.5 attemps per game. That's about right and not a significant difference between the two of them. In other words, he did perfectly fine as a pass defender in 2025. What change would you really like to see here?

Momentum Disruptor. In 13 games in Texas he had
83 Tackled
8 Sacks
17 TFL
2 forced fumbles
2 FR
1 scoop and Score

I don't put a ton of stock into counting stats. Partially because it means "yup, you played some snaps" and partially if the other guys are running away from him, he's doing his job while getting 0's in the stat sheet.

Similarly, the pash rush stats for backers is out of whack due to sample size. Cooper was 32nd in rushes, but 40th in stacks (1). Boo, bad rate.. Quay was 19th in rushes (77) and 18th in sacks (3). Yay, good rate. Realistically, I see that as noise as rate them roughly equivalent in production.

He did force 2 fumbles in 2025.

TFLs are up to the player. They have to both have the opportunity and the instinct to pick the right gap. If the DT messes up and a guard gets a clean shot at him, he's not getting the RB behind the line. If the play is a toss away from him, he probably isn't getting the RB behind the line. If he's a split second slow on diagnosing, he probably isn't getting the RB behind the line.

The scheme isn't "Okay Edgerrin, I need to let the running back pick up a yard before you schmuck him." It's up to the player to take advantage of what is in front of them. I also wouldn't necessarily expect a change in 2026. If Gannon really is a a quarters guy, we're going to see comparatively lighter boxes, putting both Quay (assuming we re-sign him) and Cooper to be more in a chase and tackle role more often.
 

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I would like to see Cooper have more opportunities to shoot gaps at his discretion. He is very good at it. Better than Q or McDuff.
 
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This seems like semantics. ILBs are inherently "support" players in the run game. They fluctuate based on the DT talent in front of them. Some of it could have been a sophomore slump from him. In run defense, ILB is a scrape and chase position away from him and he can only shoot gaps sparingly and when they are towards him. If the DTs are trash, and sadly, after Wyatt got hurt, ours were, the ILBs are going to look bad.



Sure, but you have to balance that with being schematically sound. That means in coverage against the pass most of the time. And interestingly, if he's doing his job, he won't be thrown at as much.





Difference in the college game vs. the pro game. Linebackers that aren't prime Ray Lewis or Luke Kuchely (sp?) just aren't the players you design defenses around.

Against the pass, he needs to play coverage most of the time. He had 66 pass rush attempts in 2025 (according to PFF, no grades, just counting) for 32nd in the league for off-the-ball-backers.. Quay is 19th with 77. That's 3.8 vs. 4.5 attemps per game. That's about right and not a significant difference between the two of them. In other words, he did perfectly fine as a pass defender in 2025. What change would you really like to see here?



I don't put a ton of stock into counting stats. Partially because it means "yup, you played some snaps" and partially if the other guys are running away from him, he's doing his job while getting 0's in the stat sheet.

Similarly, the pash rush stats for backers is out of whack due to sample size. Cooper was 32nd in rushes, but 40th in stacks (1). Boo, bad rate.. Quay was 19th in rushes (77) and 18th in sacks (3). Yay, good rate. Realistically, I see that as noise as rate them roughly equivalent in production.

He did force 2 fumbles in 2025.

TFLs are up to the player. They have to both have the opportunity and the instinct to pick the right gap. If the DT messes up and a guard gets a clean shot at him, he's not getting the RB behind the line. If the play is a toss away from him, he probably isn't getting the RB behind the line. If he's a split second slow on diagnosing, he probably isn't getting the RB behind the line.

The scheme isn't "Okay Edgerrin, I need to let the running back pick up a yard before you schmuck him." It's up to the player to take advantage of what is in front of them. I also wouldn't necessarily expect a change in 2026. If Gannon really is a a quarters guy, we're going to see comparatively lighter boxes, putting both Quay (assuming we re-sign him) and Cooper to be more in a chase and tackle role more often.
A partially agree with that. I do think measuring how many snaps a player is on the field is super important. If you call that a stat that doesn’t matter so be it. If I have 1 player with 1,000 snaps and 1 tackle and you gave your player with. 100 snaps and 50 tackles. I’d say that’s a stat wipers its weight in gold. If stats show logged production they are important.

There’s this sentiment in here (and I don’t see it everywhere when I visit other sites). That stats have lost relevancy starting in 2022. I’m being silly but jut really it’s this funny sentiment that because we’re fans we shouldn’t rely in data.. our “eye test” is much more accurate than data. It’s not even football it’s in life we shouldn’t trust historical data. We should rely on our “feelings”. Imo that thought process is highly flawed and 10X more flawed than any stat data.

So for anyone suggesting data isn’t relevant anymore. Show me 1 HOF player who’s production data didn’t Lead their position.

You won’t find it. Emotions are led by data, not the other way around. Otherwise tell Myles Garret and Matt Stafford to give their awards back.
 
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I would like to see Cooper have more opportunities to shoot gaps at his discretion. He is very good at it. Better than Q or McDuff.
Based on everything I’m reading about with the style of Gannon? We’re going to see LB’s used less trying to play DB roles. Gannon uses extra Safeties etc to play the Pass. He loves using a 3rd Safety.
He uses LB’s leaning more to be affecting the LOS area or precisely what you just said.
 
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Gannon and Babich also used hybrid schemes. With 1 player they’d used Man coverage and the other side he uses Zone. It confused the heck out of QB’s because they can’t read a Defense pre snap. That or the QB makes an assumption that the Defense is playing Man coverage. Just then a Roamer comes across into the view and gets a INT or breakup.

They also use 5 man front looks on Defense. The way MN used to a couple seasons ago. The opposing OL goes from expecting to get ambushed to they can double team a guy to a second later not having a guy to block.

It’s a very interesting combat formula. Similar to what modern offenses do in pre snap motion. Gannon answered once that he’s not sure what scheme he’s using when a reporter asked him. He’s not confused. He uses confusion to keep opponents off guard. Opposing Offenses don’t know if they are coming or going or not there to begin with.
 
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A partially agree with that. I do think measuring how many snaps a player is on the field is super important. If you call that a stat that doesn’t matter so be it. If I have 1 player with 1,000 snaps and 1 tackle and you gave your player with. 100 snaps and 50 tackles. I’d say that’s a stat wipers its weight in gold. If stats show logged production they are important.

Double edged sword. Yes, I love me efficiency stats. I don't care much about carries or passes or yard, but I love YPC and YPA.

My specific case is tackles isn't as useful for linebackers. WLB, MLB, and ILBs should get a lot of them due to scheme design. Similarly, safeties shouldn't lead your team in tackles, and if they do, start questioning the linebackers.
 
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Double edged sword. Yes, I love me efficiency stats. I don't care much about carries or passes or yard, but I love YPC and YPA.

My specific case is tackles isn't as useful for linebackers. WLB, MLB, and ILBs should get a lot of them due to scheme design. Similarly, safeties shouldn't lead your team in tackles, and if they do, start questioning the linebackers.
Yes. TFL is a better example than our tackles and actually if you divide the TFL by tackles it gives a really good indicator of the level of player sniffing out the ball.
10-15% is respectable TFL area.
15-20% shows an efficient TFL guy
20-25% denotes a highly effective player who’s already leaning Pro Bowl alternate type.
25-30% is 2nd team All Pro level player and possibly 1st team if they pair it with similar production across the board.
30-35% is DPOY type talk.
35%+ is HOF level if done consistently.

It’s also a trait that has a higher probability of translating to the NFL. That and early success in College is a high marker of Pro success. When you see a Freshman come in and push guys around.. that is a precursor to transitioning later. This is one of the reasons I believe Colin Oliver will be successful, he’s a little bit of a tweener but just somehow always sniffing the ball as an anomoly to our preferred length thresholds
 
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Another factor that should be considered when looking at player losses is its offset. Draft carry over.

The Packers had some big time level losses in 2025, yet there’s also something to be said for raw numbers of draft picks. Green Bay still had 26 Draftees on Rookie contracts coming back from 2023,2024,2025 That’s more than 8 players per draft class going back 3 draft classes that are still on board. My guess is very few teams have 26 Rookie Contracts from the draft since 2023. It’s also why our players “average age”
has been running so young

There is an advantage to sheer numbers because it increases competition. These are players who were lost that will join the 2026 Class.

RD6 OT Travis Glover
RD5 OC Jacob Monk
RD3 RB Marshawn Lloyd
RD7 OL John Williams
RD5 LB Colin Oliver

So if we can just get a normal amount of injury fortune and return 3 or 4 of these players? That injects 10 or 11 players (added to the ‘26 class) back into the mix fighting for Roster spots. The first thing that’s noticeable is we have a trio of OL coming back, might rethink drafting a bunch of OL.

Our OL has returning
Monk, Williams, Glover, Banks, Belton, Tom, Morgan, Jenkins (obvious cut candidate) already locked up on contract. Plus departing FA’s
Jennings
Kinnard
Rhyan
Walker
(Elgton)

So if we do retain just 2 of those 5 players? We’d have 9 OL in play under contract. We need to be a little careful about being “OL happy” this draft. I’ll be watching the status of this last list because it will likely dictate if we go OL before a later stab in Day 3 etc.
 
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My personal Easter Bunny Wish list.

I’d like to see the Packers upgrade Center.

It’s a tough call to push Monk down but somethings not clicking with him. Might just be a serviceable backup level Center and that’s fine, teams need that. I also realize several other players have Center “experience” from college. Yet playing fill in Center in College and FT Center against Seattle isn’t an ideal plan. Great to have versatile players, but sometimes we need to do what works instead of experimenting.

There looks to be a nice group of Centers that could very well overlap our #52 or #84 selection. The other thought at Center is to get a known quantity FA or trade for one. Luckily sn average starting Center won’t break the bank $$, so it’s feasible on a tight budget.

I am not fond of Elgton at Center. Maybe he develops into an All Pro but thus far he doesn’t look magical. Hes probably a tick better than Rhyan, but the Packers shouldn’t be toying with guys out if their natural position as some cost saving measure. It feels like Brian is trying to re salvage some good scrap wood. Chunk the defective plywood and invest in a brand new piece of shiny Luan board before someone falls through the 2nd floor when a party stresses it. Quit trying to cut corners.

Let’s get a Bonafide upgrade at Center and quit horsing around. There’s probably an easy 5 Centers from Collegethat could win a starting role. I’m ok with resigning Rhyan on regular rotational $$ but past that he’s just not that good in pass protect. Elgton is aging rapidly and coming off injury. It’s go time for Morgan and Belton. Fix Center with someone that better balanced than Sean. Then I think we see our OL get off out of “slightly below average” to current “pedestrian level” plateau and rise back into a top OL

I’d like Center preferable BEFORE the draft. If not? For me it’s a Day 2 priority and I’d use a 7th or future 6th to trade up a few spots if needed. I have Center and iDl as our most pressing needs. If things get harry and we don’t have a replacement by our #84 selection? I’m trading a pair of draft selections similar to the Evan Williams move to get close to a 100 overall type prospect.
 
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There looks to be a nice group of Centers that could very well overlap our #52 or #84
I just don't buy into this. Out of that group 1 or 2 are going to be really good. And that's what we need. Gute has to pick the right one. That's his job. Not just toss a dart at 5 of them or try to get one with a later pick because he really doesn't know which one he wants.
 
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I just don't buy into this. Out of that group 1 or 2 are going to be really good. And that's what we need. Gute has to pick the right one. That's his job. Not just toss a dart at 5 of them or try to get one with a later pick because he really doesn't know which one he wants.
Well that’s why our GM gets paid the big bucks! I will say though that while all positions increase chances earlier in the draft, that Corey Linsley was picked on the back of RD5. He started Week 1 after Tretter went down and never looked back. Now Im not suggesting to wait until pick #165 etc. but most of the Day 2 Centers (I don’t see any Day 1 ranked) will likely start and do just fine early in.
 

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Some Free Agent CBs that I think fit our need to find a deal and help with the likelihood of chance at better play...These are not the TOP TIER COST GUYS and no slot guys (we don't need more)

Rasul Douglas - yes, that guy. Yes, he is 31. Yes, he is on the downward trend of his career BUT give him a return to the place that made him AND a chance at a ring like he had in Buffalo and I bet this could truly happen. Estimated to not cost around that $3-$4.5M range truly NOT a bank buster type deal and provides a veteran in an overall young locker room. Home outwide and a guy that held a PFF coverage grade in 2025 of 73.6 and overall 73.5

Benjamin St Juste - He FINALLY in a more limited snap count year (was a primary backup outside CB) with the chargers looked promising. Only 378 snaps on the entire year, so low number of snaps but 76.3 overall PFF grade and a 77.8 coverage grade is awesome. He is still quite young (5 years in leage and 28 years old) but it is a coin toss...he's been bad in Washington and in limited snaps was awesome for Chargers...would be pretty neat to offer him say a 2 or 3 year deal at only like $9M but only guarantee like $2M....one year gamble, but offers him a sure home if he succeeds (mix in some incentives in future years to bump him). He's big 6'3' 200lbs.

Tre'Davious White - One of my least favorite of the bunch BUT he has been solid over a 9 years just never great....outside of one of the best corner rookie seasons ever in 2017 IMO. Does Buffalo bring him back given the continuity and above average play last year....if not Packers might be interested for that veteran presence.

Derion Kendrick - I know we have some old film and thoughts being a Georgia Bulldog...he's shown promise and before missing 2024 season he seemed to be progressing. This past year he split time between LA and SEA and not many at all really. VERY low risk guy you bring in potentially.

**Eric Stokes - I'll mention him here, but in truth LV should resign him....likely around $6M type guy and he found a home where he excelled.


IF we spend actual money.....my guy is:

Cordale Flott - He's more of a gamble than the Cam Taylor-Britt, Alontae Taylor, Greg Newsome or Jamel Dean level signings BUT he is a young guy that has been playing in a bad spot that continued to progress each year. He is slimmer construction than Gute typically likes but at 6'1' sub 180lbs his film shows a guy that doesn't play weak. Bets to what he costs is very different...some say as low as $7M/yr to as high as $10M/yr....I do believe he at minimum takes less guaranteed to get signed.
 

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For reference the '25 PFF Grades (overall) for Packer CB's:
Nixon - 66.4 (41st/114)
Valentine - 65.7 (43rd/114)
Hobbs - 61.7 (60th/114) (378 snaps, same as St. Juste).

All of the FA listed above would be considered upgrades solely based on PFF Grades. We don't know what traits and/or skills Gannon wants, but I certainly hope talent is added to the DB room for '26.
 

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What are your #1 "must do" changes for the Packers for next season to win the division
besides staying healthy and to right the ship.
I didn't see all the game this year, but I think the weakest link is at corner i.e. Valentine. He's got to go.
I honestly think the biggest problem with the Packers on defense is tackling and yet, this defense had been bragged up beyond expectations.
You cannot bring big people down by throwing a block (tackle). In that last Bear game this should have been a blow out by the Packers.
Williams bet us twice on the same damn play to the tie end in the endzone. Could not believe, but even worse then that it was a few players
prior that Williams threw another and there were four Packer defenders around the receiver and no one made a effort to either knock down the
ball our pick it off. Now the joke is really on the Packers. I had taped the NFL awards program and two members of the Bears made it clear that
it's now the time for the Packers to suck. The improvement that Williams has made from his rookie year until this year is beyond incredible
this guy became. I think it's going to come back to those big battles between the two and this guy is going to be a big headache. That secondary
has to be tightened up, and a whole heck of a lot of time in practice tackling dummies.
 

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How someone can think Valentine in any way is measurably worse than Nixon is mindboggling to me. Do not take that wrong, you led with you didn't watch all the games, and to be fair most people don't isolate watch while watching or go back and watch All22.

Valentine is more consistent, Nixon is thinking make a big play way too often...both need to be better to be a guy I want to have been our #1...perfect world one of them is #3 and other #4 but I'll settle for battling for #2
 

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How someone can think Valentine in any way is measurably worse than Nixon is mindboggling to me. Do not take that wrong, you led with you didn't watch all the games, and to be fair most people don't isolate watch while watching or go back and watch All22.

Valentine is more consistent, Nixon is thinking make a big play way too often...both need to be better to be a guy I want to have been our #1...perfect world one of them is #3 and other #4 but I'll settle for battling for #2

I don't think it's that surprising. Valentine missed 10 tackles vs. Nixon's 4. And Nixon played roughly 30% more snaps.

Nixon had more PBUs, an ever so slightly better passer rating given up, fewer yards per reception. Nixon did give up more receptions, but again played more snaps.

PFF also has Nixon with more "stops," but that's starting to get subjective.

I'd be happy with anyone better who can push Nixon down to 2 and Valentine as the 4/game plan specific player, assuming Bullard retains his slot position as the S/CB tweener he is.
 

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I don't think it's that surprising. Valentine missed 10 tackles vs. Nixon's 4. And Nixon played roughly 30% more snaps.

Nixon had more PBUs, an ever so slightly better passer rating given up, fewer yards per reception. Nixon did give up more receptions, but again played more snaps.

PFF also has Nixon with more "stops," but that's starting to get subjective.

I'd be happy with anyone better who can push Nixon down to 2 and Valentine as the 4/game plan specific player, assuming Bullard retains his slot position as the S/CB tweener he is.

I get it, if you just look at some numbers folks think Nixon is better than he is, genuinely. I don't see the big time mental lapses by Carrington or blown coverages, now when Nixon doesn't do either of those it is true he plays the ball better and is a tougher task to complete against but...man he ha some insanely big whiff plays in a way as a DC I'd be pulling my hair out.

I'd love it if neither have to play much...but I do like Nixon's ability in the middle more, but problem is we have so many for slot already.
 

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I get it, if you just look at some numbers folks think Nixon is better than he is, genuinely. I don't see the big time mental lapses by Carrington or blown coverages, now when Nixon doesn't do either of those it is true he plays the ball better and is a tougher task to complete against but...man he ha some insanely big whiff plays in a way as a DC I'd be pulling my hair out.

I don't think he whiffs much, more that he's a hot-head that can get out of control. To me, that's easier to coach out.

Of course, most defenses could use at least of little of that un-hinged mindset. He's just gotta be smarter when he does it.
 
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