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Discussion in 'Green Bay Packers Fan Forum' started by rodell330, Sep 8, 2019.

  1. rodell330

    rodell330 Cheesehead

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    The next 4 of the 5 games we have coming up are at home. Packers must find a way to get to Lambeau back to being a place where other teams had a hard time winning when they came here.

    If they can win at least 2 of the 3 home games, that makes me feel better about heading to Dallas to face the Cowpies in Arlington...as Rodgers seems to always win in that Stadium.
     
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    Kind of an obvious statement isn't it? Of course it's going to be important to win right off the bat. In these next 5 games I can honestly see us going 4-1 as initially going into this season I thought we would lose against Denver, but that's only because I thought we were playing in Denver. I honestly see us winning all these games.
     
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    Poppa San Levelheaded Staff Member Moderator

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    Before the season I had games 1,2 & 8 as losses. New coach and scheme as well as I didn't expect the Bears to be the Bears. I stand by the other two games yet.
     
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    OldSchool101 Peerless Beer, Lacrosse WI

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    I think we go 4-2 to start with a learning curve. It’s all gonna depend on how fast our O gets their poop together.
     
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    And how well our receivers develop outside of Devante. Still think we should've kept Cobb for another year.
     
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    OldSchool101 Peerless Beer, Lacrosse WI

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    Absolutely. I said it then and I’m saying it again now. Especially considering we now know he would’ve likely signed fur 4M range. That’s chump change.

    It was ok letting both Monty and Cobb go together if we had a better strategy for a proven veteran while while we developed a stable of newbies. It can take a year or two.
     
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    will we be saying we should have kept Cobb if he's only healthy for 4 games again this year?

    so we've given 4 million to Cobb and 4 million to a back up QB, what's left?
     
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    Oh ho trust me! If Cobb ends up balling out this year you guys won't hear the end of it as I said we should've kept him for at least another year. But mostly everyone was on board of getting rid of him.

    But on a serious note, WOOT! 100 Likes! Thanks you guys! You guys rock!
     
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    Cobb was just WAY too expensive with his productivity and availability dipping his last 4 seasons. I like having the 2 Smith Bros. instead of just one.

    Cobb was a declining player. Gutes likes ascending players. He’s made that clear with his sweeping roster changes. Let’s just wait and see if we realize the dividends Gutes is expecting paid as a result. I think we will.
     
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    Did we even offer him a deal? I get he wasn't the player he used to be but imo he's still better than all the receivers on the squad. How much was he asking for? I could see him taking a discount just to stay.
     
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    only if he could stay healthy, something he hasn't done in years for us. I'm a big Cobb fan, I feel so dirty watching him catch TD's for dallas, but moving on was not the wrong decision.
     
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    An injured Cobb is still likely better than most of our receivers we have currently, imagine when he's fully healthy. Now time will tell, but seeing how well he played yesterday, you CANNOT tell me he wouldn't have helped us against Chicago. Hell he's been our main Bear killer. We did the same thing with Jordy, after one year when he got hurt after years of consistency. One year i'm starting to notice with you guys, and that's all it takes and you're ready to cast people out like garbage.
     
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    If you could tell me that we'd be guaranteed to have a healthy Cobb for 16 games, sign me up. But if there's one thing Gute has made clear with the moves he's made, he's not going to commit to players, especially aging ones, that cannot stay on the field. And I'm good with that.

    We might ultimately take another lump this year, but his plan and vision will prove to be the correct one moving forward.
     
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    You guys are aware Cobb is like what? 28-29 years old? That's prime years for a receiver.
     
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    Tbh, nobody can really make that kind of guarantee for any player.

    He started 15 games even in 2017. I'd say he'd be good for 12+ starts this season and that should be enough to warrant a reduced contract with us.
     
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    I'm sure he would've taken a minimum vet deal had we offered it to him. I don't recall us even bothering offering him a contract. We just let him go just like Matthews.
     
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    And missed half the season last year.

    You could get 16 games, you could get 8. The uncertainty with him has always made it difficult. Like I said, Gute has shown he's about reliability. And too often, Cobb has just been banged up. Even some games he's played he's been a lesser version of himself due to nagging injuries.

    Like I said, I love Cobb. I wouldn't have been upset to have him back this year. But if keeping him around would have compromised the Packers ability to sign one less free agent than they did this past offseason, then we made the right call. You're seeing the immediate impact of Gute's 2019 free agent class.
     
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    Last year was the only time in recent years Cobb missed a major amount of games dealing with an injury. Other than that he hasn't missed that many games if all. I don't see how offering Cobb a one year deal would've affected our FA class, especially when there are too many question marks on the offensive side.
     
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    So we ditch players based on past missed games and no assurance they’ll never be injured again? ...... Rodgers?
     
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    One little scare is all it takes apparently. We saw it with Jordy.
     
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    QB is kind of an outlier position when you have a HOF QB under contract, and even with injury and "poor" by his standard of play, last year we got enough production from the QB on a week to week basis to win games in this league.

    WR's are plentiful, QB's are not. 40 catches and 400 yards are fairly easily replaced. 600 yards aren't too hard to replace either in this league. He's far removed from his 1400 yard season.
     
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    clearly keeping Jordy would have been the right move? he played one more lackluster season before hanging it up. I think it's pretty clear the right move was made. We may not have a receiver that has taken up what he did for us in his heyday, but it should also be clear that he was not taking us anywhere had we kept him and he certainly wouldn't be with us going forward and we'd still be looking for WR's. We have a couple young ones that have a season of experience, which most with this team took 2,3, years before becoming what we remember.
     
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    He played with freaking Oakland who had Derek Carr, and he still did fairly well, and we all know how much of a trainwreck they are. Then you factor in he unlike our current receivers outside of Devante, has Rodgers trust and has great chemistry, then factor in he's a great teammate and could've been a mentor to the receivers. I certainly think that we would've won more of those games last year had Jordy been in the lineup along with Devante. Jordy might have lost a step but he his chemistry with Rodgers as well as his intelligence would've made up for it, and it would've helped Devante as opposing teams would have to factor him in.

    I mean look at freaking Julian Edelman. He tore his ACL that one year and still is playing well in New England. And he's what? 33?
     
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    Pokerbrat2000 Opinions are like A-holes, we all have one.

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    Always a tough decision with long time vets and fan favorites. You can go over the history of the Packers in just the last 10-12 years and look at each one of those decisions of "when to cut bait with a player", starting with Favre.

    There is really no clear cut formula on when it is the right time and we can all use hindsight in saying it was the right or wrong thing to do. The Packers GM doesn't have that crystal ball at the time and has to weigh a number of things into the decision for each player.

    One might say TT held on to players too long, but 2 posts later, say he made a mistake for getting rid of this guy.

    Never a popular decision to purge a player who's jersey is hanging in many fans closets, but a necessary evil in Football. Sometimes you get them right, sometimes you don't. Nor will all the posters in here ever come to a true consensus on these decisions, unless maybe it's one regarding Nick Perry or Dom Capers. :coffee:
     
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    and Jordy nelson retired at 34. Derek Carr isn't some hack at QB and we were set to pay him 10 million bucks. If you're paying 700yds a year receivers 10 million bucks a season, you're not going to e around long.

    We weren't a very good team last year, we weren't winning a super bowl and we're much better off this year.
     
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