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Message: <blockquote data-quote="NDPackerFan" data-source="post: 11059" data-attributes="member: 193">I hope he is like Shurmur Prez, I'm just looking at this like taking this defense and moving it to the middle of the pack or even in the top third would be an unreal job and I hope it happens. I'm not denigrating the defense though. Just looking at some of the other clubs out there with the defenses they already have. Ravens, Patriots, Redskins, Broncos, Panthers, etc. (those are all pretty darn good defenses).If Bates produces a top 5 defense with this bunch of players, I'll be the happiest man alive because I think it will mean another trip to the SB for the Packers!!!</blockquote>

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