Sweet Power Ranking Writeup from Bill Simmons (Got me pumped!)

[angryguy77]

I seriously don't know if the Vikings have it. Historically Favre has sucked in the ladder part of the season. Plus as said above their schedule truly is not tough and Favre does have offensive weapons like never before (although AP has had nothing like Ahman's 1880 yd. season). However, as talented as the Vikings are, they have not played well against the better teams this season. The reason they beat Baltimore and even GB twice is because Baltimore and GB failed to show up for half the game. When they did though, it was a different story. I think that once the Vikings play a disciplined team that plays 4 qtrs in the playoffs things will be different. Favre has had stellar production this year. But what's gonna happen when he has streaking LB's in his face? Mistakes. That is the only consistency with Favre over the years. Sure he is playing out of his mind. It is crazy. But it would take Superman to keep this up at 40, and he ain't no superman.


New Orleans will be in the SB this year. Minny loses in the second round. I am not sure who will be in the NFCCG, the wild card race will prolly be figured out at the end of week 17.:viksux:

What is with all the "ifs" around here. "If" didn't happen and I love your short memory. Mistakes are the only consistent thing for him? From what I see winning is the most consistent thing he has done. From the pack to NY to Minn he has won and you guys let your anger cloud your rational thought.
Favre is one of the best ever and can back it up. Sure the Viks havn't played a hard schedule, but the same could be said about the rest of the top teams in the legue. The Saints haven't had to go on the road to face a tough team yet this season. Sure they beat the giants and ne but are those teams really the same anymore? I don't think so. Now Im not saying they are not a good team because they are, but they are not better than the other 2 top teams right now. Monday night I believe was more a testament to how bad the ne d is, hell their own coach doesnt trust them. When you throw the ball 23 times and you end up with those numbers that has blown coverage written all over it. But hats off to them becasue they got it done. But time will tell when they face a team with a good pass rush like minn and see if they have time to throw the deep ball on every down.

Saying that GB and the Ravens "failed to show up" is plain wrong. Did you watch that ravens game? I did and Favre was carving them up for 3 qtrs and they started to get conservative, and when winfield left the game it was a perfect formula for a rally. As far as both gb games, let it go, he cut GB sack off and fed it to them. Not to mention that GB almost let SF sneak away with a win after being dominated in the first half. Nor have they played well against the better teams they faced.

I doubt minn will lose in the second round. I'm not sure who they would play but as it stands I dont see them losing to dallas, arz,phili ar gb. Anything can happen but lets be ow the ball 23 times and you end up with those numbers that has blown coverage written all over it. But hats off to them becasue they got it done. But time will tell when they face a team with a good pass rush like minn and see if they have time to throw the deep ball on every down.


Saying that GB and the Ravens "failed to show up

 

[Hauschild]

Just historically it has happened to Favre and honestly he has been consistent his entire career even if it was something bad and this won't let up.

Already, your statement has been proven false by Brett Favre.

At NO POINT in Brett Favre's NFL career has he ever been 10-1. At NO POINT in Brett Favre's career has his QB rating every been higher than 112 after 11 games.

I wouldn't mind if you made derogatory statements towards Brett Favre and included something like...."Brett probably won't finish the season at 15-1, or have a 112 QB rating by season's end, but he continues to play fundamentally sound football."

If you want to convince people in an argument, you have to do so without completely neglecting the facts.:happy0005:

 

[CM_Awesome]

Already, your statement has been proven false by Brett Favre.

At NO POINT in Brett Favre's NFL career has he ever been 10-1. At NO POINT in Brett Favre's career has his QB rating every been higher than 112 after 11 games.

I wouldn't mind if you made derogatory statements towards Brett Favre and included something like...."Brett probably won't finish the season at 15-1, or have a 112 QB rating by season's end, but he continues to play fundamentally sound football."

If you want to convince people in an argument, you have to do so without completely neglecting the facts.:happy0005:

The Packers were 10-1 during 2007.

 

[Hauschild]

The Packers were 10-1 during 2007.

Yeah, but that's the year we'd all like to forget.

 

[3irty1]

At NO POINT in Brett Favre's NFL career has he ever been 10-1.

The Packers were 10-1 during 2007.

Yeah, but that's the year we'd all like to forget.

If you want to convince people in an argument, you have to do so without completely neglecting the facts.:happy0005:

...

 

[dansz15]

Already, your statement has been proven false by Brett Favre.

At NO POINT in Brett Favre's NFL career has he ever been 10-1. At NO POINT in Brett Favre's career has his QB rating every been higher than 112 after 11 games.

I wouldn't mind if you made derogatory statements towards Brett Favre and included something like...."Brett probably won't finish the season at 15-1, or have a 112 QB rating by season's end, but he continues to play fundamentally sound football."

If you want to convince people in an argument, you have to do so without completely neglecting the facts.:happy0005:

He is playing good football what I think I am getting at is how although Favre has had excellent seasons in the past decade he has managed to make some key plays to screw something up in the playoffs. We will see come playoff time if he continues to play sound. I honestly think he wont. That is all I am saying. I do want to thank you for dissecting my post, I hope it didnt take too long.

Green Bay was 10-1 like said. Vikes may finish at 15-1. But playoff time I don't see it happening. Packers are mediocre but have talent to be a top 5 team but until play calling cleans up and a better o line is implemented that won't happen.

It is good to get a rise out of something here

 

[dansz15]

Double post somehow...

 

[longtimefan]

2008 last 5 games 45.1, 48.7, 61.4, 60.8, 60.9

07- last 5 games 143.8, 40.2, 80.6, 115.1, 8.9

06 last 5- 70.0, 52.5, 32.9, 115.5, 53.0

05 last 5- 76.3, 44.3, 34.3, 67.9, 52.2

So yeah historically Brett does flatter down the stretch

does that mean he will this year? NOT ALL

He only has one game in the outside cold, where as in previous years he had 15 in total in 4 years for the last 5 games

 

[dansz15]

2008 last 5 games 45.1, 48.7, 61.4, 60.8, 60.9

07- last 5 games 143.8, 40.2, 80.6, 115.1, 8.9

06 last 5- 70.0, 52.5, 32.9, 115.5, 53.0

05 last 5- 76.3, 44.3, 34.3, 67.9, 52.2

So yeah historically Brett does flatter down the stretch

does that mean he will this year? NOT ALL

He only has one game in the outside cold, where as in previous years he had 15 in total in 4 years for the last 5 games

Great point. I guess we will see. Honestly, I want to completely detach myself from all this Favre drama and enjoy the rest of the Packers season esp since my school didn't win the CAA North and its hockey season and I am not quite ready to let go of football haha.

 

[CM_Awesome]

...

I guess Hauschild is only ok with the facts he presents.

 

[Quientus]

2008 last 5 games 45.1, 48.7, 61.4, 60.8, 60.9

07- last 5 games 143.8, 40.2, 80.6, 115.1, 8.9

06 last 5- 70.0, 52.5, 32.9, 115.5, 53.0

05 last 5- 76.3, 44.3, 34.3, 67.9, 52.2

So yeah historically Brett does flatter down the stretch

does that mean he will this year? NOT ALL

He only has one game in the outside cold, where as in previous years he had 15 in total in 4 years for the last 5 games

Can't argue the stats, however, those above stats doesn't tell the entire reason, as I'm quite sure you are aware of ...

Unfortunately ... QB ratings are about the tangible stat which is compiled, as opposed to the rest of the team positions ...

In most seasons in Green Bay, Favre wasn't the only one with less than "stellar" stats after the first half of the season ... In fact, if you remember, more so than ever during the latter tenure of his career in Green Bay ... Favre had to "shoulder" alot more later in the season as well ...

He doesn't have to do the same in Minnesota this season, which is also a huge reason why we probably won't see a dramatic decline in the ratings neither ...

 

[longtimefan]

Again....

Not saying he IS going to fall flat on his face..

Just that historically he has

but if your argument is that he needs others around him to be better, then that same EXCUSE has to apply to Rodgers

 

[Quientus]

Again....

Not saying he IS going to fall flat on his face..

Just that historically he has

but if your argument is that he needs others around him to be better, then that same EXCUSE has to apply to Rodgers

Not exactly ... Instead of only bringing up 5 seasons, why don't you show the last 10 instead ? - And despite a statwise slump in the recent latter half of seasons, there has been only one single losing season in so far 18 seasons as a starter for 3 different teams ...

Yes, the Vikings have a formidable team this seasons, just as they had last season. The only time Favre has made a deep play off run (not including the 2007 season), was in 1996 and 1997 ... - Looking at Minnesota, I doubt any one could argue that Favre had not had a significant impact on that team as a whole ...

How do you explain the 2007 season ?

So far alot points to the fact that Favre also makes his team mates play better, despite who was/is the coach, which is something you can't exactly say for Rodgers (yet ?) ...

Favre's ability (among others) to unload the ball more quickly and utilize the checkdowns (regardless of which play was called - many times) in 2007 made that offensive line look alot better than they actually were, as history has proven ... - And with changed play calling, all of a sudden this seasons Packers offensive line don't look as anaemic as they did in the first half of this season neither ...

Favre is alot like Manning in that regard ... - It doesn't really matter who you put around him ... Some ways or another, both of them, will help immensely on those respective teams in terms of performance, not necessarily meaning great stats from either ...

Does either of them have the ability to make deep play off runs regardless of who they are playing with ? - Most likely not (again not counting the 2007 season), because as I've said numerous times, there is a huge difference between regular season games and play off games, however, both of them *will* (most likely) be able to make their respective teams contending for a play off spot up to the very last ...

That is why I don't agree when you say the same "excuse" has to apply to Rodgers, because so far that hasn't been the case, because Rodgers hasn't exactly been showing that he has the ability to improvise when the stakes are high ...

Last a little postulation; - Do you honestly think the Packers would even have been to the NFC Championship Game in 2007 with Rodgers under center ? Because I just don't see that happening ...

But in the end, as this regular season draws to a close, most other posters will probably post the stats of last 4 games, then the last 3 games down to the last 2 games from previous seasons ...

Then, once the Vikings are in the Play Offs, alot will use the "Favre will throw multiple picks to lose any play off game all by himself ..." arguement ...

Will Minnesota go to the Super Bowl this seasons ? Hard to tell, as anything can happen in the Play Offs, not to mention the Super Bowl, however, right now, there are probably only one team in the NFL who can beat Minnesota (and vice versa) and that is the Saints ... (I'm not talking about the Steelers, since that game has already been played, and most likely the Steelers won't make it far enough to play Minnesota again ...).

 

[longtimefan]

08 --45.1, 48.7, 61.4, 60.8, 60.9
07- -143.8, 40.2, 80.6, 115.1, 8.9
06 --70.0, 52.5, 32.9, 115.5, 53.0
05 --76.3, 44.3, 34.3, 67.9, 52.2
04---154.4, 102.9, 80.4,77.1, 32.4
03--66.8, 154.9, 122.9, 81.6, 71.5
02--61.7,32.9, 100.7, 95.1, 77.6
01--109.7, 78.1, 112.1, 74.3, 77.2

Forgot to mention that the ratings are backwards...the 1st rating is the 16th game, and the last rating is the 12th game

I only up to 05 because that was most recent, but since you were curious there are the rest...

II hate the 07 argument of it was all because of Brett..you mentioned the 1st half of that season...Went 7-1....But if not for the defense they would have been 5-3....

Why is it that the only thing I did was say historically Brett has faltered down the stretch led to you questioning why I think Rodgers wouldn't have gotten the team to the NFCCG?

Stop with the over analyzing the entire scenario LOL

I have said time and time again and once in such big font even a blind person could read it..

I wanted Brett still here


I even said that the reason for poor play at the end was him being outside for lot of those games...And then added that this year he only has one such game that could be cold..

I also said in other post a while back that only Philly and NY playoff game at their house MIGHT have an impact on his play..But since we now know that there is no where in hell they Viks have to go there, its probably going to be playoff at Minny or NO

So again he probably is indoors for ALL remaining games including playoffs cept one game that shouldnt matter for seeding (I believe NO will have home field no matter what)

And since he is going to be indoors for the playoffs chances are VERY good he will not have a collapse as he has had in the past

 

[OneHotelFoxtrot]

C'mon Hauschild...you have to reply to that.

 

[ThinkICare]

Quientus, why was it so wrong for LTF to bring up the last 5 years Favre played. Those are the most recent without it getting too out of hand. If you start posting stats from too long ago, it becomes a mess. You might as well make the argument that Larry Johnson will be a star in Cincy because his numbers were much better 7 years ago. Not saying people should be bringing up only 3 or 4 recent games, but if you go too far back, people lose focus of what to really look for.

 

[Quientus]

Quientus, why was it so wrong for LTF to bring up the last 5 years Favre played. Those are the most recent without it getting too out of hand. If you start posting stats from too long ago, it becomes a mess. You might as well make the argument that Larry Johnson will be a star in Cincy because his numbers were much better 7 years ago. Not saying people should be bringing up only 3 or 4 recent games, but if you go too far back, people lose focus of what to really look for.

I didn't say it was wrong to bring up those 5 last seasons ... What I pointed out was the discrepancy ... - While those mentioned facts can't be argued (which I also actually wrote, in case you missed it), those same stats does not tell the entire story neither ...

I was disputing why you can't use the same arguements with both Rodgers and Favre ...

I know that LTF and I actually agree on alot of things, however he also knows what I'm saying it correct ... - You can't take out the stats alone and use those solely to base arguements on ... - Those stats have to be put into context as well ... And whether most people like or not ... The "trend" that Favre has been performing poorly in the latter half of the season, is more media created than anything really ... When in fact on most of those occassions it's been pretty much the entire team that didn't deliver, not only Favre (again, not saying he didn't play poorly), however as Favre and Rodgers are quarterbacks, they will inevitably be "scrutinized" more ...

Most avid "Favre-bashers/haters" (and no, LTF is not one of those, quite on the contrary) really only has the above mentioned "stat" to fall back to now, and they know it ... - That arguement was what I was disputing, not LTF for bringing it up ... (And LTF knows that ...)

- You cannot say it's a "trend" or "historical fact" and only base it on less than 1/3 of the seasons played ... - And when you look at the numbers they aren't all "bad" ...

Throughout the last 10 years in the NFL, in case you missed it, passer ratings has been increasing rapidly across the board ... - Not just for the "elite" qb's but also for the more "mediocre" ones ... Just look at the passer ratings 10 years ago, and then compare them to 5 years ago, and then again compare them to the last 2 seasons ... My point is the game has evolved into a much more passer friendly game than it was before (and certainly what is was more than 25 years ago, when Favre wasn't even playing ...)

 

[longtimefan]

But when those stats are broken down into individual games it starts to mean something

Take the last 3 games of the o6 season..He had an average of about a 52 rating, 1 td and 6 ints (again 3 games)

They WON those three games..

That was MY point...

He had lot of help winning games when he stunk it up...

 

[longtimefan]

interesting

12th game is the time he has started to falter in the past and tonight is 12th game, and has thrown 2 int, when he has only thrown 3 in the last 11 games...

 

[CM_Awesome]

interesting

12th game is the time he has started to falter in the past and tonight is 12th game, and has thrown 2 int, when he has only thrown 3 in the last 11 games...

Exactly what I have been saying. Same old Favre, he's back to his old self.

 

[Jess]

Tonight was a little more of like the Favre I got used to the last couple years.

A few pretty throws, the last TD to Harvin especially, and a few throws you'd like to have back.

I won't sit here and say "old Brett is back" though. It's one game. He still only has 5 picks on the year. He also had no help from AD, so that worked against him.

 

[CM_Awesome]

Most surprisingly, the Vikings were outschemed by an Arizona defense that had quarterback Brett Favre confused all evening, forcing his first two interceptions since the end of October. Cardinals safety Adrian Wilson dropped two other possible interceptions as Favre struggled through his worst game of the season, making it difficult to completely discount the stamina issue we first considered last spring.

(For those who forgot: Favre’s performance has dipped precipitously after his 11th game in each of the past four seasons. Sunday night was game 12 of 2009.)

- Kevin Seifert, ESPN NFC North Blog

 

[longtimefan]

^^^^^^^^^^

Is that Kevin coping me?

 

[CM_Awesome]

^^^^^^^^^^

Is that Kevin coping me?

It depends...lol. That post he made about Favre's late season crappy play was posted in the spring. He also goes on to say...


"In the same post, reader Robbiemustgo32 produced a startling statistical compilation that reveals a dramatic end-season drop-off dating back to 2005."

So that guy may have copied you, lol.

 

[longtimefan]

I'm suing LOL