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Some positives

Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by dxbfan, Nov 19, 2006.

  1. dxbfan

    dxbfan Cheesehead

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    Hopefully:

    1. Premature Playoff talk will stop.
    2. We won't take Favre for granted and enjoy and appreciate even more every opportunity we have to watch him play.
    3. We'll accept MM for who he is, a rookie HC and not the next Lombardi or Holmgren.
    4. We'll realise that accepting blame for miscommunication in the secondary isnt just a feature of every post game capsule but something that needs to be addressed.
    5. We'll understand that TT has us on a long and at times painful journey towards rebuilding a wining team.
     
  2. Cdnfavrefan

    Cdnfavrefan Cheesehead

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    All true, all true
     
  3. Greg C.

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    Those are not what I would call "positives," but they are all true.
     
  4. dxbfan

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    As they say, acceptance is the first step. Hence positive.
     
  5. Raider Pride

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    AJ Hawk ended up with 10 solo tackles.

    One one player in the NFL today had more. That was Caleb Miller MLB for the Bengals who had 12 solo tackles.

    I would say AJ was a positive.

    RP
     
  6. PackerChick

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    yes, true said, we cannot have high expectations. Its better this way.

    I dont believe in high expectations.
     
  7. CalifPacker

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    I'll certainly agree with that.

    A.J. Hawk continues to get better.
     
  8. yourout

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    Now if we can get Barnett to show a little consistancy. He disappears way to often.
     
  9. Chamuko

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    Except that IMHO 3.- MM is a failure at HC and will keep confirming it, hopefully TT will face his biggest mistake and fire him by season´s end along with ****-enheimer and Sanders-.

    5.- TT does not care to win now he wants 5 years to rebuild, and IMHO he is not getting a good grade at all
     
  10. all about da packers

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    I've had enough.

    Did you watch the game at all?

    Perhaps you'd like to explain to me how McCarthy can be blamed for the poor execution OF THE PLAYERS. McCarthy is responsible for calling plays, and putting his players in a position to make catches and do something after. Did you see how many times, as a result of McCarthy's playcalling, the players were open enough to make a catch WERE IT NOT FOR OVERTHROWN/UNDERTHROWN BALLS BY THE QBs?

    How can you blame McCarthy for Favre and Rodgers not being on target? Favre was hampered by a groin injury and I would guess that effected his play. Rodgers was in the locker room limping around.

    In fact Clifton, Wells, and Moll all said the primary reason for the struggles was the lack of execution BY THE PLAYERS. McCarthy has said numerous times that it comes down to execution, he can prepare himself and his players to any degree, but he can't go out and play for them on gameday.

    Going up against the best HC in the league, McCarthy called plays that gave his players a chance to make catches and do things. What more do you want? Quit your judging of McCarthy after 10 games. 4-6 is the same record Holmgren was at after 10 games.

    Another comparision to your beloved Holmgren: When he came to Green Bay, he brought a new scheme and changed the entire schedule of practices and the way practices were run. Newsflash: McCarthy has brought with him a new scheme and changed the way practices were scheduled and ran. This offense is in the top half of the league, and given that we have only had DD as a healthy WR all year, Green has been injured, and our young o-line, that is something very few would have expected. He needs time to grow on the job, and learn from his mistakes and to get top quality players around him. The exact thing Holmgren received.
     
  11. wischeez

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    Thanks for saying what a few of us were thinking aadp........
     
  12. Cdnfavrefan

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    AADP I think I've accepted Cham is just venting. Now if he's talking like this tomorrow we'll know he's just crazy and uninformed
     
  13. porky88

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    Yeah let's be real here. How good was Favre today? He was awful. He was off target and even if he remained in the game it didn't look like we were going anywhere. So it's not fair to single out McCarthy when the team just played bad as well. The offensive line is young and was going up against one of the hardest defenses to read in the game. They couldn't get it done. There was no running game either. The Defense was average for a while and then it looked like they gave up.

    While McCarthy didn't coach a game the FACT that GB has 4 wins right now is impressive. Unless your a Packer homer, GB was not picked to be 4-6 right now by most. More like 2-8. So McCarthy is doing a pretty good job so far and most around the NFL are taking notice that GB is a definite up and coming football team. For that we should be excited. Rome wasn’t built in a day. The future is bright but we need to wait for the future to get here. AJ Hawk, Greg Jennings, Brady Poppinga, Scott Wells, Jason Spitz, Daryn Colledge, Tony Moll, Aaron Kampman, Corey Williams, and Nick Barnett are all young guys who are going to be the core of this team and it’s a pretty good core for the future. That’s the positives about this football team right now.

    As for the game. No turnovers. It could have been worse but they protected the ball. They just didn’t execute.
     
  14. Heatherthepackgirl

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    Great post!! One thing I caught the announcers say is: "We do have the youngest team in the NFL right now". "But they will only get better in time". They need to get Favre to stay a couple more years, and we have a chance for a playoff team.
     
  15. dxbfan

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    While I agree that execution was terrible, I dont think MM and the coaching staff were blameless. We went away from the aggressive defensive style upfront that has brought us some success in the recent past. It seemed almost like Sanders was too scared of being burned to go with more than a 4 man rush on most plays. The less said about the continued miscommunication in the secondary the better. Offensively I think we abandoned the run too soon.

    Lastly, this was another game where the team came out flat. Apart from being horribly similar to the season opener aganist Chicago as I said in another thread, the inability to get the team ready for a big game was also very similar to some of the playoff melt downs under the Sherman era.

    Hopefully this loss will lead to some serious introspection on all aspects of the game and have the team better prepared for Seattle. Another recent SuperBowl team, another team with a winning record, another team coming off a loss to a team they should have beaten and most of all another team with a Hall of Fame coach.
     
  16. Packnic

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    you are the man... if i say it... its just green and gold glasses. maybe if they hear it from you it will sink in.
     
  17. tromadz

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    the only positive is that this game might cost manuel his job.
     
  18. millertime

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    you can't exoect success right away. who knows whether mccarthy will be great. im not so sure id want him to be the next holmgren anyways. there no reason to settle for mediocracy and set a low ceiling for mccarthy. hes a head coach making bank. im sick of him saying its my fault. good coaches correct mistakes. thats what he needs to do
     
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    Agreed with most of that but what is your definition of open receivers?? I saw some passes that could have possibly been completed but its kind of hard when a D-lineman is running full speed into your face. There were some over throws and a couple of underthrows by Favre on 2 short patterns. He was off today and anyone would be with 2 ankles and a groin injury would have been also.

    If anyone saw the game and the Patriots offense you saw the difference in the teams which was good protection by the Pats O-line and brady had all day to throw. They dont need to max protect like us and Brady still has time back there in addition to 2 extra targets out there for him. On most of their play there was a wide open(nobody within 10 yards) receiver. Even Rick Mirer would have beat the Packers that day. They nickle and dimed us all the way down the field all day long.
     
  20. mike_donnelly

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    I'm not sure if this has been mentioned, and you probably all realise it anyway, but I will say this. Packers are only NFC North team to beat Dolphins. It's not much, but it'll do.
     
  21. Cdnfavrefan

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    Well the Dolphins were predicted by SI to be in the SB so if we beat the Dolphins that means we at least beat the predicted SB champs
     
  22. mike_donnelly

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    after Vikings 5-point win, we can also say that Packers are only NFC North team to get a quality win over Arizona.
     
  23. dxbfan

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    Think we're now beginning to scrape the barrel a bit?
     
  24. warhawk

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    To say MM has not done a good job is just wrong.

    He has taken over the youngest team in the NFL while installing a completely new offensive scheme.

    No small task for any HC.

    Nobody was talking poor coaching when we won 3 out of 4 and should have won the Buffalo game. Any coaching problems there? The game plan for the Bills game was perfect. We managed to beat ourselves with mistakes but we took it to them all day.

    MM has managed to do what Sherman could not which is keep BF uright for the most part. Shermans plan involved plays that took much longer to develop and I wonder if Brett's record would still be intact if he were still here.

    Last week called on Brett to be the man and attack NE's beat up secondary. He had a bad game. Not the combination needed against a solid club.

    With Favre being off the mark and NE building a lead the opportunity to be more aggressive was seized by the Pat's. He had the time early on. He became his own worst enemy that day.

    What would have been wrong on MM's part would have been to NOT go after the significant injury problem the Pat's faced last week. Had Brett been even average he would have been able to exploit the situation.

    The timing of Brett being off totally cancelled what could have been an advantage for us. Instead, having a passing game plan imploded on us with all the three and outs. To blame MM for the way that game went is just not right.

    We will not beat good teams if Brett comes out like he did in that game. We need him at his best. Not his worst. This was a game he was asked to take it on his shoulders and win it with his arm. Most often that will work and he will answer the call.

    It was a similar situation to the Vikes game. No one expected a whole lot out of the run game against them. Do you think we win that game if Brett's as far off as last week? No way.

    To say MM's coaching is suspect for making that call is idiotic and I'm sure if the situation presented itself again MM would not hesitate to ask it of him.

    It won't be tonight. I fully expect our running game to be featured in this game and expect to see a solid game by Brett as well.
     

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