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Some players need to renegotiate

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  1. ivo610

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    We have discussed some of these players who should have adjusted deals, but one that I havent seen much (and I am sure there are others) is Tramon Williams. I got curious and saw he is due 13 million over the next 2 seasons. Yikes. His production has dropped and what once was a great deal for us is now one that isnt in the teams favor.

    Thoughts?

    Any other players you want to see renegotiate? Please provide contract numbers if you list a player.
     
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    I want this, that, and the other guy gone. They aren't worth it. Him & him are too expensive to cut this year so they better play outa their arse next year when they get cheaper. The three stooges over there get one more year to prove they are NFL material before they talk about an extension next year. A lot of minimum wage type would outperform these schmucks.
     
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    I stole this from here: http://www.rotoworld.com/teams/contracts/nfl/gb/
    to get everyone on the same page. I bet it's wrong somewheres.
    Player Position Contract Terms
    Brett Goode Center 10/26/2012: Signed a four-year, $3.34 million contract. The deal included a $325,000 signing bonus. An annual $25,000 workout bonus is available in years two through four. 2013: $715,000, 2014: $730,000, 2015: $870,000, 2016: Free Agent
    Garth Gerhart Center 1/14/2013: Signed a three-year, $1.485 million contract. 2013: $405,000, 2014: $495,000, 2015: $585,000, 2016: Restricted Free Agent
    Jeff Saturday Center 3/23/2012: Signed a two-year, $7.75 million contract. The deal included an initial roster bonus of $1.65 million. 2013: $1.35 million (+ $1.4 million roster bonus + $1 million in per-game roster bonuses), 2014: Free Agent
    Casey Hayward Defensive Back 5/11/2012: Signed a four-year, $3.3 million contract. The deal contains $1.4 million guaranteed, including an $847,000 signing bonus. 2013: $540,451, 2014: $690,901, 2015: $841,352, 2016: Free Agent
    Charles Woodson Defensive Back 9/9/2010: Signed a five-year, $55 million contract. The deal included $21 million in advances and bonuses. 2013-2014: $6.5 million (+ $2.5 million roster bonus + $1 million in per-game roster bonuses), 2015: Free Agent
    Chaz Powell Defensive Back 1/14/2013: Signed a three-year, $1.485 million contract. 2013: $405,000, 2014: $495,000, 2015: $585,000, 2016: Restricted Free Agent
    Davon House Defensive Back 7/29/2011: Signed a four-year, $2.341 million contract. The deal included a $300,580 signing bonus. 2013: $555,000, 2014: $645,000, 2015: Free Agent
    James Nixon Defensive Back 1/14/2013: Signed a three-year, $1.485 million contract. 2013: $405,000, 2014: $495,000, 2015: $585,000, 2016: Restricted Free Agent
    Jarrett Bush Defensive Back 3/20/2012: Signed a three-year, $5.25 million contract. The deal included a $1 million signing bonus. Bush is eligible for annual $100,000 workout bonuses throughout the contract's life. Another $1 million is available through incentives. 2013: $1.35 million, 2014: $1.6 million, 2015: Free Agent
    Jerron McMillian Defensive Back 5/9/2012: Signed a four-year, $2,400,584 contract. The deal included a $300,584 signing bonus. 2013: $480,000, 2014: $570,000, 2015: $660,000, 2016: Free Agent
    M.D. Jennings Defensive Back 9/10/2011: Signed a three-year, $1,397,500 contract. The deal included a $2,500 signing bonus. 2013: $555,000, 2014: Restricted Free Agent
    Morgan Burnett Defensive Back 7/17/2010: Signed a four-year, $2.665 million contract. The deal included an $875,100 signing bonus. 2013: $575,000, 2014: Free Agent
    Sam Shields Defensive Back 2013: Restricted Free Agent
    Sean Richardson Defensive Back 4/30/2012: Signed a three-year, $1.445 million contract. The deal included a $5,000 signing bonus. 2013: $480,000, 2014: $570,000, 2015: Restricted Free Agent
    Tramon Williams Defensive Back 11/30/2010: Signed a five-year, $38.148 million contract. The deal contains $11.074 million guaranteed, including a $6 million signing bonus. 2013: $5.9 million (+ $300,000 roster bonus), 2014: $6.9 million (+ $300,000 roster bonus), 2015: Free Agent
    B.J. Raji Defensive Lineman 8/13/2009: Signed a five-year, $22.9 million contract. The deal contains $17.7 million guaranteed, including a $2.4 million signing bonus and a second-year roster bonus of $7 million. Also included is a $5.22 million "likely to be earned" onetime bonus for Raji playing 35% of the defensive snaps in any given year. Another $5.6 million is available through incentives, but they are "unlikely to be earned." 2013: $4.09 million, 2014: $2.1325 million, 2015: Free Agent
    C.J. Wilson Defensive Lineman 6/23/2010: Signed a four-year, $1.84 million contract. The deal included a $50,354 signing bonus. 2013: $575,000, 2014: Free Agent
    Jerel Worthy Defensive Lineman 5/10/2012: Signed a four-year, $3,948,203 contract. The deal included a $1,311,420 signing bonus. 2013: $569,464, 2014: $748,928, 2015: $928,391, 2016: Free Agent
    Jordan Miller Defensive Lineman 12/11/2012: Signed a three-year, $1.44 million contract. 2013: $480,000, 2014: $570,000, 2015: Restricted Free Agent
    Mike Daniels Defensive Lineman 5/22/2012: Signed a four-year, $2.401 million contract. The deal included a $300,584 signing bonus. 2013: $480,000, 2014: $570,000, 2015: $660,000, 2016: Free Agent
    Mike Neal Defensive Lineman 7/26/2010: Signed a four-year, $2.950 million contract. The deal contains $1.65 million guaranteed, including a $1.16 million signing bonus. Another $491,500 is available through a "likely to be earned" onetime escalator clause. 2013: $575,000, 2014: Free Agent
    Ryan Pickett Defensive Lineman 3/12/2010: Signed a four-year, $24.925 million contract. The deal contains $10 million guaranteed, including a $2 million signing bonus and a first-year roster bonus of $6.4 million. Pickett is eligible for annual $200,000 workout bonuses. Another $700,000 is available through "likely to be earned" incentives. 2013: $5.4 million (+ $500,000 roster bonus due in March), 2014: Free Agent
    Don Barclay Guard 4/30/2012: Signed a three-year, $1.44 million contract. 2013: $480,000, 2014: $570,000, 2015: Restricted Free Agent
    Evan Dietrich-Smith Guard 2013: Restricted Free Agent
    Greg Van Roten Guard 10/13/2012: Signed a three-year, $1.44 million contract. 2013: $480,000, 2014: $570,000, 2015: Restricted Free Agent
    Josh Sitton Guard 9/2/2011: Signed a six-year, $34.95 million contract. The deal contains $8.9 million guaranteed, including a $6 million signing bonus. Annual $300,000 workout bonuses are available in years two through six. 2013: $3.4 million (+ $650,000 roster bonus), 2014: $4.5 million (+ $400,000 roster bonus), 2015: $4.85 million (+ $400,000 roster bonus), 2016: $5.9 million (+ $400,000 roster bonus), 2017: Free Agent
    T.J. Lang Guard 8/13/2012: Signed a five-year, $22.06 million contract. The deal included a $5.5 million signing bonus. Lang is eligible for annual $200,000 workout bonuses and $300,000 roster bonuses in years two through five. Another $250,000 is available through a Pro Bowl escalator. 2013: $750,000 (+ $750,000 roster bonus), 2014: $3.5 million, 2015: $4.2 million, 2016: $4.6 million, 2017: Free Agent
    A.J. Hawk Linebacker 3/3/2011: Signed a five-year, $33.75 million contract. The deal included an $8 million signing bonus and a $1.8 million roster bonus in the first season. Annual $250,000 workout bonuses are available in years two through five. 2013: $4.9 million (+ $300,000 roster bonus), 2014: $4.9 million (+ $800,000 roster bonus), 2015: $5.4 million (+ $800,000 roster bonus), 2016: Free Agent
    Brad Jones Linebacker 2013: Free Agent
    Clay Matthews Linebacker 7/29/2009: Signed a five-year, $9.925 million contract. The deal contains $7.105 million guaranteed, including an $800,000 signing bonus, a first-year $750,000 "reporting" bonus, and a second-year option bonus of $3.72 million. Another $3.35 million is available through incentives, including a "likely to be earned" onetime escalator clause of $1.525 million. 2013: $1,492,500, 2014: Free Agent
    D.J. Smith Linebacker 7/29/2011: Signed a four-year, $2.143 million contract. The deal included a $103,152 signing bonus. 2013: $555,000, 2014: $645,000, 2015: Free Agent
    Desmond Bishop Linebacker 1/4/2011: Signed a four-year, $19.05 million contract. The deal contains $5 million guaranteed and $2 million in roster and workout bonuses. 2013: $3.464 million, 2014: $3.522 million, 2015: Free Agent
    Dezman Moses Linebacker 4/30/2012: Signed a three-year, $1,443,500 contract. The deal included a $3,500 signing bonus. 2013: $480,000, 2014: $570,000, 2015: Restricted Free Agent
    Erik Walden Linebacker 2013: Free Agent
    Frank Zombo Linebacker 2013: Restricted Free Agent
    Jamari Lattimore Linebacker 7/28/2011: Signed a three-year, $1.4 million contract. The deal included a $5,000 signing bonus. 2013: $555,000, 2014: Restricted Free Agent
    Micah Johnson Linebacker 1/14/2013: Signed a three-year, $1.485 million contract. 2013: $405,000, 2014: $495,000, 2015: $585,000, 2016: Restricted Free Agent
    Nick Perry Linebacker 5/11/2012: Signed a four-year, $7.5 million contract. The deal contains $6.4 million guaranteed, including a $4 million signing bonus. 2013: $730,875, 2014: $1,071,750, 2015: $1,412,625, 2016: Free Agent
    Rob Francois Linebacker 2013: Restricted Free Agent
    Terrell Manning Linebacker 5/11/2012: Signed a four-year, $2,271,480 contract. The deal included a $171,480 signing bonus. 2013: $480,000, 2014: $570,000, 2015: $660,000, 2016: Free Agent
    Mason Crosby Place Kicker 7/29/2011: Signed a five-year, $14.75 million contract. The deal included a $3 million signing bonus. Annual $150,000 workout bonuses are available in years two through five. 2013: $2.4 million, 2014: $2.65 million, 2015: $2.8 million, 2016: Free Agent
    Tim Masthay Punter 8/3/2012: Signed a five-year, $6.005 million contract. The deal included a $1.2 million signing bonus. 2013: $765,000, 2014: $900,000, 2015: $1 million, 2016: $1.2 million, 2017: Free Agent
    Aaron Rodgers Quarterback 10/31/2008: Signed a six-year, $65 million contract. The deal contains $20 million guaranteed, including $12.9 million in the first year and a $7.42 million guaranteed roster bonus in the second. Annual $500,000 workout bonuses are available in years two through six. Annual $500,000 roster bonuses are available in years three through six. 2013: $9.25 million, 2014: $10.5 million, 2015: Free Agent
    B.J. Coleman Quarterback 1/14/2013: Signed a three-year, $1.485 million contract. 2013: $405,000, 2014: $495,000, 2015: $585,000, 2016: Restricted free Agent
    Graham Harrell Quarterback 12/7/2011: Signed a three-year, $1.62 million contract. 2013: $630,000, 2014: Restricted Free Agent
    Packers QB Quarterback
    Alex Green Running Back 7/30/2011: Signed a four-year, $2.578 million contract. The deal included a $515,000 signing bonus. Annual $7,500 workout bonuses are available in years two through four. 2013: $555,000, 2014: $645,000, 2015: Free Agent
    Brandon Saine Running Back 10/31/2011: Signed a three-year, $1.395 million contract. 2013: $555,000, 2014: Restricted Free Agent
    Cedric Benson Running Back 2013: Free Agent
    DuJuan Harris Running Back 12/1/2012: Signed a three-year, $1.665 million contract. 2013: $555,000, 2014: $645,000, 2015: Free Agent
    James Starks Running Back 6/23/2010: Signed a four-year, $1.89 million contract. The deal included a $100,300 signing bonus. 2013: $1.323 million, 2014: Free Agent
    John Kuhn Running Back 7/31/2011: Signed a three-year, $7.5 million contract. The deal included a $750,000 signing bonus and a first-year roster bonus of $1.45 million. Kuhn is eligible for $100,000 workout bonuses in seasons two and three. 2013: $1.8 million (+ $450,000 roster bonus), 2014: Free Agent
    Ryan Grant Running Back 2013: Free Agent
    Andrew Datko Tackle 1/14/2013: Signed a three-year, $1.485 million contract. 2013: $405,000, 2014: $495,000, 2015: $585,000, 2016: Restricted Free Agent
    Bryan Bulaga Tackle 7/30/2010: Signed a five-year, $12.21 million contract. The deal contains $8.76 million guaranteed, including an $880,000 signing bonus, a first-year roster bonus of $794,000, and a second-year $3.95 million option bonus. Another $2.54 million is available through a "likely to be earned" onetime escalator clause. Bulaga is eligible for annual $100,000 workout bonuses throughout the contract's life. 2013: $862,000, 2014: $2,565,500, 2015: Free Agent
    Joe Gibbs Tackle 1/14/2013: Signed a three-year, $1.485 million contract. 2013: $405,000, 2014: $495,000, 2015: $585,000, 2016: Restricted Free Agent
    Marshall Newhouse Tackle 6/23/2010: Signed a four-year, $1,939,850 contract. The deal included a $149,850 signing bonus. 2013: $575,000, 2014: Free Agent
    Andrew Quarless Tight End 7/9/2010: Signed a four-year, $1,972,425 contract. The deal included a $182,425 signing bonus. 2013: $575,000, 2014: Free Agent
    Brandon Bostick Tight End 1/14/2013: Signed a three-year, $1.485 million contract. 2013: $405,000, 2014: $495,000, 2015: $585,000, 2016: Restricted Free Agent
    D.J. Williams Tight End 7/28/2011: Signed a four-year, $2.238 million contract. The deal included a $198,000 signing bonus. 2013: $555,000, 2014: $645,000, 2015: Free Agent
    Jermichael Finley Tight End 2/22/2012: Signed a two-year, $14 million contract. The deal included a $1 million signing bonus. Another $1 million is available through incentives. Finley is eligible for $300,000 offseason workout bonuses in each season. 2013: $4.45 million (+ $3.5 million roster bonus due in March), 2014: Free Agent
    Ryan Taylor Tight End 7/28/2011: Signed a four-year, $2.099 million contract. The deal included a $59,176 signing bonus. 2013: $555,000, 2014: $645,000, 2015: Free Agent
    Tom Crabtree Tight End 2013: Restricted Free Agent
    Donald Driver Wide Receiver 2013: Free Agent
    Greg Jennings Wide Receiver 2013: Free Agent
    James Jones Wide Receiver 7/31/2011: Signed a three-year, $9.4 million contract. The deal included a $1.5 million signing bonus and first-year roster bonus of $950,000. Another $200,000 is available through incentives. 2013: $2.95 million (+ $200,000 roster bonus), 2014: Free Agent
    Jarrett Boykin Wide Receiver 5/14/2012: Signed a three-year, $1.44 million contract. 2013: $480,000, 2014: $570,000, 2015: Restricted Free Agent
    Jeremy Ross Wide Receiver 12/1/2012: Signed a three-year, $1.44 million contract. 2013: $480,000, 2014: $570,000, 2015: Restricted Free Agent
    Jordy Nelson Wide Receiver 10/2/2011: Signed a four-year, $13.989 million contract. The deal contains $5 million guaranteed, including a $3.5 million signing bonus. Nelson is eligible for annual $250,000 workout bonuses and $200,000 in yearly per-game roster bonuses in seasons two through four. Another $1.65 million is available through incentives. 2013: $2.7 million, 2014: $2.55 million, 2015: Free Agent
    Randall Cobb Wide Receiver 7/29/2011: Signed a four-year, $3.209 million contract. The deal contains $1,375,500 guaranteed, including an $834,124 signing bonus, all of Cobb's first-year base salary, and $166,376 of his second-year salary. 2013: $666,766, 2014: $812,648, 2015: Free Agent
     
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  4. FrankRizzo

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    That's hard to decipher. But a lot of info.

    Hawk should owe us money. So should Tramon. And Finley.
    The Hawk contract has us in a pickle though..... he's guaranteed the big amount, so you might as well keep him. Plus all the other ILB's get or got hurt. He keeps going.... playing okay with no big plays made.

    Jeremy Ross & Jarrett Boykin can become big bargains next year.
     
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  5. El Guapo

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    I think that Tramon will play through his contract in 2013 and then would either get renegotiated or cut, if his play continues to decline
     
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  6. FrankRizzo

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    Tramon is not as bad as some people here are acting like.
    He's a fine cover guy......soft, but can cover better than most.
     
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    I'm kind of still on the fence with Tramon. I have moments when I love the guy and I have moments when I don't. I'm not sure if things are so bad with him that his contract needs to be negotiated though.
     
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    Yeah, it's bad......
     
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    I have seen some respected reporters suggest keeping him off the field during plays where it's not an obvious pass.

    We have 2 all pros WRs in the conference that require elite coverage.
     
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    We all know that Tramon has the goods to be a very good cornerback. His contract reflects his play in 2010. Then he battled an injury in 2011. In 2012 he played pretty good 80% of the time, but the other 20% played terrible. I'm not advocating that we throw him off the side of the boat, but another year of play should help guide whether he continues to get more leash or harsh renegotiation.
     
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    Just the obvious Hawk and Woodson, maybe Tramon if he doesn't make starter next year. Matthews and Rodgers should probably be renegotiated as well.
     
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    He's overpaid then.... so is AJ Hawk, and Woodson's $ refleces his play in 2009... Capers reflects his one good season of 2010.... lotta overpaid guys on this team.
    No wonder why, unlike the Ravens (Lewis, Reed, Ngata, Rice, Flacco, Boldin....) we have to let a stud go like Jennings?
     
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    http://www.packerforum.com/threads/...-year-extension-on-his-packer-contract.23661/

    There's literally not a single person that wasn't happy with the contract when it was signed. Hard to criticize TT for the Tramon deal. It's easy to say he's overpaid in retrospect.

    I think on Woodson, his extension in 2010 was somewhat of a reward for his play for us over the years. I think we were pretty well aware when we signed him to a 5 year extension in 2010, that he wasn't going to continue to be worth 8 figures for that long. They'll release or restructure him this year.

    I won't disagree on Hawk. Bad contract which is made worse by the fact that it's structured in a way that we really can't get out from under it. Not TT's best contract. He's a fantastic GM, but Hawk, Chillar, and Poppinga were all some pretty puzzling moves. Hard to find a GM without a few of those, though.
     
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    Tramons situation changed. Didn't see anyone criticize Ted for it. At the time it was a good deal and now it's not. Players hold out for stuff like this if it falls in favor of them. Teams threaten to cut players. It's just business.
     
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    Tramon is capable of locking down elite guys like Brandon Marshall and Calvin (that 1st game in 2011) - plus, I'm sure he's still tip toeing his way back from that Shoulder Nerve Pinch thing... another full off season and he should be back to full strength - so if he plays like a sissy again - then yeah, cut 'em or whatever.
     
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    We made Sam tackle, we can make Tramon too.
     
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    Wait, are you saying that the Ravens have more studs than the Packers? That's a tall one my good friend. Rodgers, Jennings, Nelson, Cobb, Finley, Pickett, Matthews, Woodson...and we could name more. This isn't the Yankees, we can't pay top dollar to the entire roster.

    More to your point though, every team has overpaid and underpaid players. It's the nature of contract negotiations and free agency. TT gets skewered on these boards for being so tight, and now skewered for not being tight enough. He's lucky that he doesn't read these boards! There are quite a few players that are underpaid on the Packers roster. I would say that a quick list includes Cobb, Nelson, Bulaga, Matthews, Bishop, and Shields. I don't think that you'll find many other rosters with more A- and B-list players than Green Bay, it's a product of staying out of the free agent market in order to compensate our core players that we develop.

    Hindsight only looks good on internet forums.
     
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    Bulaga is certainly not underpaid.
    James Jones is underpaid too.....

    Its funny you list Shields as underpaid, but 1/4th thru this season, he was benched and a lot of fans wrote him off.

    I believe Matthews is one of the most underpaid, if not THE most, player in the NFL.

    It just sucks that there's no way out of the Hawk contract.
     
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    Two other highly underpaid players....Russell Wilson and Colin Kaepernick!

    I knew that I should have referenced that other thread where all of the current contracts are listed
     
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    Anyone else notice all our best players are also the least paid? Matthews 1.9 Million a year? are you serious? how is williams making more???
     
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    Trivial. Matthews is playing on his rookie contract, Tramon is on his second one.

    The new CBA really helps draft-and-develop teams like the Packers. You give rookies modest contracts and hope the out perform them. The good players you re-sign, the meh players you let go. With the salary cap the way it is, you pretty much have to build your roster this way. Lots of cheap rookies as role players with a few super stars chewing up most of your cap.
     
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