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<blockquote data-quote="RainX" data-source="post: 231498" data-attributes="member: 803"><p>Everyone sitting here clamoring for Favre's return better understand the consequences of letting him comeback after being "retired" for 4 months, because as I stated in the SI Peter King thread, anything short of a Super Bowl championship this season has made a comeback utterly pointless. Here's why I feel that way:</p><p></p><p>1. Aaron Rodgers gets relegated back to backup QB once again after being told by his coaches and front office that he's "the guy" now for 4 months now. That's pretty psychologically crushing if you ask me. It's bad enough he would have had to fill some pretty big shoes had Favre truly retired and having Brohm breathing down his neck, but now the one thing he's wanted since being drafted in 2005 is suddenly unceremoniously taken from him just a few short weeks before training camp. Talk about being squarely kicked in the jewels by the organization. Sure, he'll probably take the high road and accept his fate and do what's best for the team, but you seriously increase the risk of him walking after the 2009 season after this, because these are instances that are not easily forgotten. You can say he's not worthy of leading the team in the future if he can't accept something of this magnitude, but you could also not blame him to request a trade if he can't QB the team this year or walk after his contract is up. That's 3 years of being in the league and 2+ years learning McCarthy's system that are essentially for nothing. Why did we even bother drafting him 3 years ago in the 1st round and groom him for this moment then?</p><p></p><p>2. Aaron's development gets regressed by at least one more season. You can see over the past 3 training camps and the limited regular season sample Rodgers has played is that he has improved quite a bit since his rookie season. He's about as ready as a guy who has not started an NFL game could be. All he's heard the entire offseason from fans and the media is that he's injury prone and won't be a good NFL QB because of his pedigree and he's been itching to get on the field to prove all his naysayers wrong. That fire is essentially snuffed out now because #4 came back. Instead of 16 games of taking his developmental lumps, he gets 16 more games of being in #4's shadow holding a clipboard and the whole Favre speculation begins again next off-season and he'll have to go through another entire off-season of doubters and naysayers questioning his ability to play. I sure hope Brett leads this team to a Super Bowl championship, because I'd rather watch an 8-8/9-7 Packers team get blown out on the road in a Wild Card round lead by Rodgers then a 12-4 Packers team lead by Favre lose to the Cowboys in the NFC Championship game because Favre threw another errant pass trying to force a play in one final drive to beat Dallas on the road. The end result is essentially the same in falling short of the Super Bowl again. The difference is Rodgers has one year of development under his belt and we'll know a lot more of wether he's worth resigning and leading this team to an eventual Super Bowl. Is Favre done again after the '08 season? God only knows at this point if he comes back and the circle of drama probably begins again. There's nothing wrong with wanting to know if you have the guy who will be leading your team two years from now and there's hardly a guarantee Brett will be that QB. At least if Rodgers can get on the field, we can see what he's got and make decisions accordingly going forward. We can't do that with another season of #4 under center and Rodgers holding a clipboard on the sideline.</p><p></p><p>What I don't understand from a lot of you is that you think it should just be okay for Brett to waltz right back into his starting job after 4 months of retirement just because he is Brett Favre. That's essentially the vibe I get from most posters anyways. There's no denying what he has meant to this town and football team since 1992, but the guy "retired" on March 6! He said he had nothing left in the tank and didn't want to go through the tediousness of the off-season program and OTAs again. If you aren't willing to be on board from the beginning of the league year on March 1 to the end of the regular season in December, what gives you the right to voluntarily "retire" for 4 months, and then weeks before training camp, just call the team up saying you want your job back after they've moved on and geared the playbook and team towards the guy who was groomed to be your successor? It's not that simple.</p><p></p><p>I doubt you would've found very few Packer fans in February who didn't want Brett to come back in 2008. I sure did, even despite his errant pass in the NFC Championship game. But when a guy says he's done, things change. Favre was under no major durress to make that decision. Thomspon and McCarthy would've give him until mid-April to make up his mind if needed. Just because the GM doesn't fly down to your house in Mississippi again like he did in '06 doesn't mean he doesn't want you back. Is McCarthy's frequent phone calls not enough or something? I think it's pretty obvious the head coach represents the interests of the team, including the GM. I don't buy the whole "he was under durress from the front office to make a hasty decision" argument. Favre's waffling on his decision back in March is his own fault and no one elses. I respect the fact that it's never easy to walk away from something you've pretty much spent your whole life doing, but I also respect the fact that when you make a decision, you should have the ability to stick to it and fully understand the consequences of doing so if you decided to change your mind later on. Favre can't seem to understand this for some reason.</p><p></p><p>In the end, I'm no Nostradamus. I, just like you, can't say Brett coming back after 4 months on the shelf puts this team in the Super Bowl this year. Players move on, teams get better and worse, and injuries happen. Is it possible Brett gives us the best chance? Arguably. But it's hard to deny things won't be different versus last year going into the season because Brett wasn't this teams QB from March 17 onwards like he was last season. You can sit here and argue the off-season training program, OTAs, and mini-camps don't matter, that's fine. You also cannot deny the fact that McCarthy has stressed many times on how important that time from when the first weights are lifted on March 17 to the final practice snap taken on June 19 are to the success of a teams season. Brett not only was voluntarily not there for any of that, but it was also understood that Rodgers would be Quarterbacking the team into training camp as the starter since he had retired. That's a pretty radical shift of direction to all of a sudden voluntarily change direction 3 weeks before camp starts and one that could potentially adversley affect the team this season not making them as successful out of the gate as they were last year. Some of you make it sound like it's just so simple for the team to pick up right where they left off with Brett, but I hate to break it to you, it's not. Could the team do so? Sure if it had to. But at what cost? It's hard to say at this point, but I personally don't think the effect would necessarily be positive going into a MNF game on September 8 against a Minnesota Vikings team whose gunning for the target on our back. It's pretty easy to forget how unprepared many of those Mike Sherman lead Packer squads were coming out of training camp. I think you're risking something similar to happen if Brett all of a sudden comes back and is annointed the starter once again. The team is probably good enough to rebound, but that fast start last season was pretty critical in finishing 13-3 and getting as far as they did. There is no guarantee we would have the same success with Brett all of a sudden taking the reigns.</p><p></p><p>I aplogize for writing a book here, but I just wanted you to understand what a lot of us "Rodsters" are thinking is the best direction to take this team. We could be wrong, no doubt, but we're all diehard Packer fans in the end and want what is best for the team. It's fine if you feel Favre is the guy who can lead us to the promised land. I just hope some of you truly understand the potential ramifications of what's at stake if that's the direction the team goes in.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="RainX, post: 231498, member: 803"] Everyone sitting here clamoring for Favre's return better understand the consequences of letting him comeback after being "retired" for 4 months, because as I stated in the SI Peter King thread, anything short of a Super Bowl championship this season has made a comeback utterly pointless. Here's why I feel that way: 1. Aaron Rodgers gets relegated back to backup QB once again after being told by his coaches and front office that he's "the guy" now for 4 months now. That's pretty psychologically crushing if you ask me. It's bad enough he would have had to fill some pretty big shoes had Favre truly retired and having Brohm breathing down his neck, but now the one thing he's wanted since being drafted in 2005 is suddenly unceremoniously taken from him just a few short weeks before training camp. Talk about being squarely kicked in the jewels by the organization. Sure, he'll probably take the high road and accept his fate and do what's best for the team, but you seriously increase the risk of him walking after the 2009 season after this, because these are instances that are not easily forgotten. You can say he's not worthy of leading the team in the future if he can't accept something of this magnitude, but you could also not blame him to request a trade if he can't QB the team this year or walk after his contract is up. That's 3 years of being in the league and 2+ years learning McCarthy's system that are essentially for nothing. Why did we even bother drafting him 3 years ago in the 1st round and groom him for this moment then? 2. Aaron's development gets regressed by at least one more season. You can see over the past 3 training camps and the limited regular season sample Rodgers has played is that he has improved quite a bit since his rookie season. He's about as ready as a guy who has not started an NFL game could be. All he's heard the entire offseason from fans and the media is that he's injury prone and won't be a good NFL QB because of his pedigree and he's been itching to get on the field to prove all his naysayers wrong. That fire is essentially snuffed out now because #4 came back. Instead of 16 games of taking his developmental lumps, he gets 16 more games of being in #4's shadow holding a clipboard and the whole Favre speculation begins again next off-season and he'll have to go through another entire off-season of doubters and naysayers questioning his ability to play. I sure hope Brett leads this team to a Super Bowl championship, because I'd rather watch an 8-8/9-7 Packers team get blown out on the road in a Wild Card round lead by Rodgers then a 12-4 Packers team lead by Favre lose to the Cowboys in the NFC Championship game because Favre threw another errant pass trying to force a play in one final drive to beat Dallas on the road. The end result is essentially the same in falling short of the Super Bowl again. The difference is Rodgers has one year of development under his belt and we'll know a lot more of wether he's worth resigning and leading this team to an eventual Super Bowl. Is Favre done again after the '08 season? God only knows at this point if he comes back and the circle of drama probably begins again. There's nothing wrong with wanting to know if you have the guy who will be leading your team two years from now and there's hardly a guarantee Brett will be that QB. At least if Rodgers can get on the field, we can see what he's got and make decisions accordingly going forward. We can't do that with another season of #4 under center and Rodgers holding a clipboard on the sideline. What I don't understand from a lot of you is that you think it should just be okay for Brett to waltz right back into his starting job after 4 months of retirement just because he is Brett Favre. That's essentially the vibe I get from most posters anyways. There's no denying what he has meant to this town and football team since 1992, but the guy "retired" on March 6! He said he had nothing left in the tank and didn't want to go through the tediousness of the off-season program and OTAs again. If you aren't willing to be on board from the beginning of the league year on March 1 to the end of the regular season in December, what gives you the right to voluntarily "retire" for 4 months, and then weeks before training camp, just call the team up saying you want your job back after they've moved on and geared the playbook and team towards the guy who was groomed to be your successor? It's not that simple. I doubt you would've found very few Packer fans in February who didn't want Brett to come back in 2008. I sure did, even despite his errant pass in the NFC Championship game. But when a guy says he's done, things change. Favre was under no major durress to make that decision. Thomspon and McCarthy would've give him until mid-April to make up his mind if needed. Just because the GM doesn't fly down to your house in Mississippi again like he did in '06 doesn't mean he doesn't want you back. Is McCarthy's frequent phone calls not enough or something? I think it's pretty obvious the head coach represents the interests of the team, including the GM. I don't buy the whole "he was under durress from the front office to make a hasty decision" argument. Favre's waffling on his decision back in March is his own fault and no one elses. I respect the fact that it's never easy to walk away from something you've pretty much spent your whole life doing, but I also respect the fact that when you make a decision, you should have the ability to stick to it and fully understand the consequences of doing so if you decided to change your mind later on. Favre can't seem to understand this for some reason. In the end, I'm no Nostradamus. I, just like you, can't say Brett coming back after 4 months on the shelf puts this team in the Super Bowl this year. Players move on, teams get better and worse, and injuries happen. Is it possible Brett gives us the best chance? Arguably. But it's hard to deny things won't be different versus last year going into the season because Brett wasn't this teams QB from March 17 onwards like he was last season. You can sit here and argue the off-season training program, OTAs, and mini-camps don't matter, that's fine. You also cannot deny the fact that McCarthy has stressed many times on how important that time from when the first weights are lifted on March 17 to the final practice snap taken on June 19 are to the success of a teams season. Brett not only was voluntarily not there for any of that, but it was also understood that Rodgers would be Quarterbacking the team into training camp as the starter since he had retired. That's a pretty radical shift of direction to all of a sudden voluntarily change direction 3 weeks before camp starts and one that could potentially adversley affect the team this season not making them as successful out of the gate as they were last year. Some of you make it sound like it's just so simple for the team to pick up right where they left off with Brett, but I hate to break it to you, it's not. Could the team do so? Sure if it had to. But at what cost? It's hard to say at this point, but I personally don't think the effect would necessarily be positive going into a MNF game on September 8 against a Minnesota Vikings team whose gunning for the target on our back. It's pretty easy to forget how unprepared many of those Mike Sherman lead Packer squads were coming out of training camp. I think you're risking something similar to happen if Brett all of a sudden comes back and is annointed the starter once again. The team is probably good enough to rebound, but that fast start last season was pretty critical in finishing 13-3 and getting as far as they did. There is no guarantee we would have the same success with Brett all of a sudden taking the reigns. I aplogize for writing a book here, but I just wanted you to understand what a lot of us "Rodsters" are thinking is the best direction to take this team. We could be wrong, no doubt, but we're all diehard Packer fans in the end and want what is best for the team. It's fine if you feel Favre is the guy who can lead us to the promised land. I just hope some of you truly understand the potential ramifications of what's at stake if that's the direction the team goes in. [/QUOTE]
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