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<blockquote data-quote="Bruce" data-source="post: 96686" data-attributes="member: 196"><p>Zero: I am not trying to be obscure or gamey. Christl (who I have defended on occasion here) wrote it, Havel (who I have very little respect for, I just didn't feel like giving him any ink) wrote it and plenty of ignorant fans who often show how little they know about what it takes to play this game at a high level posted it fairly frequently - especially when TT decided not to resign them. Before anyone gets paranoid here – remember I wrote this as an opinion piece for publication elsewhere with no single poster in mind.</p><p></p><p>I had no agenda in writing this article other than to challenge group thinking (esp. related to non-star players) and to generate discussion -- which my article seems to have achieved here and at packers chatter. It also was intended to be filler for the front page until the final cuts were announced.</p><p></p><p>You seem to be implying that I have a secret agenda - I do not. I want the Packers to succeed, which means I want Ted Thompson to succeed, Mike McCarthy to succeed and every single player wearing green and gold to succeed PERIOD.</p><p></p><p>We have this strange split going on in Packerland and in our nation. This split plays out in some very troubling ways. It seems that dissent and questioning has been reframed/renamed as hating or being a hater. Nothing could be further from the truth and such over-simplified, dichotomous thinking is dangerous and destructive. Questioning and open debating are not only healthy they are the only way to ever achieve greatness.</p><p></p><p>I hate no one. I have repeatedly declared that I think Ted Thompson has a very solid football mind and is an excellent evaluator of young talent. I also have pointed out that he is a first time GM and has learning curves and growth areas that he will need to address -- which is not surprising. One of the areas that I think he is having to learn as he goes is in contingency planning and not just assuming that Plan A is going to solve the problem.</p><p></p><p>Specifically to each of these players, I would have been trying to upgrade each of these positions and it logically follows that might mean replacing each of them. This was Ted Thompson’s goal in not re-signing them and I agree with the basic premise of this goal. Where I believe Ted erred was in assuming that it would be easy to upgrade. At running back the packers are vulnerable in depth and questionable in talent other than Green who is an aging elite player who is coming back from serious injury that few RB of his age could achieve. This hardly seems like the time to gamble with depth, yet TT drafted no RB, made no FA pickups at this position and enters the season with two undrafted street free agent pickups with questionable pedigrees. Herron is a hard worker who gets the most out of his limited athletic ability (which I admire) but may be the worst #2 HB on any roster in the NFL and does not have much upside. Gado has upside, but let’s face it, there is a reason he could not crack the lineup at Liberty College. Ted assumed that Green and Davenport would fully recover and he could gamble with Gado or Herron as 3rd string depth – that did not happen. Fisher will never be a star, but he had great hands, was as assignment ready as any player you will ever see, ran the screen very well and was an outstanding blocker, especially picking up the blitz. He clearly would be an upgrade over either Herron or Gado had he been brought back to compete for a job.</p><p></p><p>A similar thing happened at WR, but at least here TT tried. He drafted Jennings (a great pick and I said so at the time) and Rodgers (a head scratching pick and I said so at the time) which seems to be part of the plan in upgrading this position. He also signed several free agents hoping to upgrade including Rod Gardner, a former first-round pick who finished 2005 with the Packers and Marc Boerigter who once produced in the NFL pre-injury. Unfortunately these moves (plan A) failed when Cory Rodgers’s poor fundamentals and limited learning capacity blew up and when it became obvious that Gardner and Boerigter had lost the speed that got them to the big game and could neither get separation anymore nor hold on to the football when it hit them in awful places like in the hands. Again, Chatman would have not only made this squad if he had been given the opportunity to compete, he would have provided stabiltiy at two positions.</p><p></p><p>Ted gambled that Safety would be covered by signing Manuel (who was coming back from serious injury) and by Underwood’s improved play when he let Roman go. In a perfect World Plan A would have worked. In the real world injuries happen (you would think Thompson may have gotten this lesson down last season) and career backups coming back from injuries may not perform the way you hope. </p><p></p><p>Having written all of this – I must now say they are gone. The team must move on and play with the players they have. All who know me know that I am optimistic and competitive by nature. I think the Packers can compete and succeed (but once again more vulnerable to injury than they needed to be) and I expect them to do so. </p><p></p><p>I hope this clears up any questions you had.</p><p></p><p>I don’t know about you, but I am <strong>ready for some FOOTBALL!!!!!!! Bring on da bears!</strong></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Bruce, post: 96686, member: 196"] Zero: I am not trying to be obscure or gamey. Christl (who I have defended on occasion here) wrote it, Havel (who I have very little respect for, I just didn't feel like giving him any ink) wrote it and plenty of ignorant fans who often show how little they know about what it takes to play this game at a high level posted it fairly frequently - especially when TT decided not to resign them. Before anyone gets paranoid here – remember I wrote this as an opinion piece for publication elsewhere with no single poster in mind. I had no agenda in writing this article other than to challenge group thinking (esp. related to non-star players) and to generate discussion -- which my article seems to have achieved here and at packers chatter. It also was intended to be filler for the front page until the final cuts were announced. You seem to be implying that I have a secret agenda - I do not. I want the Packers to succeed, which means I want Ted Thompson to succeed, Mike McCarthy to succeed and every single player wearing green and gold to succeed PERIOD. We have this strange split going on in Packerland and in our nation. This split plays out in some very troubling ways. It seems that dissent and questioning has been reframed/renamed as hating or being a hater. Nothing could be further from the truth and such over-simplified, dichotomous thinking is dangerous and destructive. Questioning and open debating are not only healthy they are the only way to ever achieve greatness. I hate no one. I have repeatedly declared that I think Ted Thompson has a very solid football mind and is an excellent evaluator of young talent. I also have pointed out that he is a first time GM and has learning curves and growth areas that he will need to address -- which is not surprising. One of the areas that I think he is having to learn as he goes is in contingency planning and not just assuming that Plan A is going to solve the problem. Specifically to each of these players, I would have been trying to upgrade each of these positions and it logically follows that might mean replacing each of them. This was Ted Thompson’s goal in not re-signing them and I agree with the basic premise of this goal. Where I believe Ted erred was in assuming that it would be easy to upgrade. At running back the packers are vulnerable in depth and questionable in talent other than Green who is an aging elite player who is coming back from serious injury that few RB of his age could achieve. This hardly seems like the time to gamble with depth, yet TT drafted no RB, made no FA pickups at this position and enters the season with two undrafted street free agent pickups with questionable pedigrees. Herron is a hard worker who gets the most out of his limited athletic ability (which I admire) but may be the worst #2 HB on any roster in the NFL and does not have much upside. Gado has upside, but let’s face it, there is a reason he could not crack the lineup at Liberty College. Ted assumed that Green and Davenport would fully recover and he could gamble with Gado or Herron as 3rd string depth – that did not happen. Fisher will never be a star, but he had great hands, was as assignment ready as any player you will ever see, ran the screen very well and was an outstanding blocker, especially picking up the blitz. He clearly would be an upgrade over either Herron or Gado had he been brought back to compete for a job. A similar thing happened at WR, but at least here TT tried. He drafted Jennings (a great pick and I said so at the time) and Rodgers (a head scratching pick and I said so at the time) which seems to be part of the plan in upgrading this position. He also signed several free agents hoping to upgrade including Rod Gardner, a former first-round pick who finished 2005 with the Packers and Marc Boerigter who once produced in the NFL pre-injury. Unfortunately these moves (plan A) failed when Cory Rodgers’s poor fundamentals and limited learning capacity blew up and when it became obvious that Gardner and Boerigter had lost the speed that got them to the big game and could neither get separation anymore nor hold on to the football when it hit them in awful places like in the hands. Again, Chatman would have not only made this squad if he had been given the opportunity to compete, he would have provided stabiltiy at two positions. Ted gambled that Safety would be covered by signing Manuel (who was coming back from serious injury) and by Underwood’s improved play when he let Roman go. In a perfect World Plan A would have worked. In the real world injuries happen (you would think Thompson may have gotten this lesson down last season) and career backups coming back from injuries may not perform the way you hope. Having written all of this – I must now say they are gone. The team must move on and play with the players they have. All who know me know that I am optimistic and competitive by nature. I think the Packers can compete and succeed (but once again more vulnerable to injury than they needed to be) and I expect them to do so. I hope this clears up any questions you had. I don’t know about you, but I am [b]ready for some FOOTBALL!!!!!!! Bring on da bears![/b] [/QUOTE]
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