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Smith, or Capers?

Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by Harrison McCaslin, Jan 2, 2013.

  1. The Real Pack Attack

    The Real Pack Attack Cheesehead

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    While I personally would like to see Capers replaced. I just don't see MM abandoning the 3-4. Lovie's defense would call for a complete make-over. Not gonna happen!
     
  2. El Guapo

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    Fire Capers? Wait...wasn't everyone talking about him being a defensive genius heading into the Super Bowl match against equal-genius Dick LeBeau? Do you "fire Capers" folks think that he forgot how to coach? No. Every coach has to move away from their preferred defensive strategies to adjust for lack of personnel, either due to the base roster or injuries. We can talk about blitz or not blitz, but a DC can't make those decisions in a vacuum due to changing personnel situations before and during games.

    I like Lovie Smith a lot but I am not an advocate of change when you have something good. What I have seen in the NFL is that teams rarely improve when they change coaches to "upgrade." They usually do worse. The grass always seems greener on the other side but it's much more complicated than just upgrading to Smith.
     
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  3. rodell330

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    Maybe? however when Harbaugh took over San Fran they were a mess as well as the Colts when Pagano took over and look at those teams now. I just think Crennel is just to mild mannered to be taken seriously as a HC and that's ok.. not everybody is in your face and as a matter of fact type guy's like Coughlin is or Parcells was but still have success. Take Mike Tomlin from Pittsburgh or Sean Payton from New Orleans for example? these are two of the most layed back coaches you will ever see but both have won Super Bowls.
     
  4. 13 Times Champs

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    Lovie rumored to be headed to Buffalo as HC.
     
  5. tynimiller

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    I don't think I'd get rid of Capers...we're finally getting the stable of LB's to do this (doesn't help 3 of them injured for the season) better than ever....I say give him another year for sure!
     
  6. Rocky11

    Rocky11 Superbowl bound Pack

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    DC has not proved to be "one of the greatest defensive minds in football" yet. When was the last time we had a good defense that could be counted on? We are doing a little better this year but if we are kept out of the Super Bowl this year it will be because we have a less than stellar defense.
     
  7. El Guapo

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    2010. The Packers defense was statistically ranked #2 in points surrendered and #5 in total yards. I suppose that's not good enough, right?
     
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  8. 13 Times Champs

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    I would point the finger at the OL first(followed closely by injuries, yes they affected the OL). But we still have a chance don't we? :confused:
     
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  9. Alex

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    Let's just lock up Ray Lewis as DC before he goes to ESPN. ;)
     
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  10. GreenBlood

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    Then the answer is a resounding NO. Retooling a defense is a 2-3 year proposition. Not now.
     
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  11. GeeDogWarrior

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    Trying to put Dom's Time Here in perspective:
    1: Lack of Secondary Depth in 2009 held our D back ...
    2: 2010 - Our D carried us to a Superbowl Win (in spite of injuries)
    3: Ted didn't get Dom any weapons, Cullen leaves - Nick and Tramon get injured - our D fails in 2011.
    4: We reload on D with a bunch of rookies - Those rookies have developed and made an impact - the Defense would be top ten if Clay didn't miss a few games and if Bishop/DJ/Perry weren't all out with injuries....

    I say, draft some more guys - continue developing the guys we've got - give Dom another 2 years - these players will be more accustomed to his Scheme and what not ... idk.
     
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  12. longtimefan

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    With 3rd stringers we shouldnt skip a beat and people feel Dom is to blame
     
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  13. Dexter-Remmick

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    I'd say give him few years or so. I think he can turn it around.
     
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  14. NorthWestCheeseHead

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    I've never understood why people insist on blaming coaches and front office personnel when things go south instead of attributing poor play on the field to the players as it should be.
     
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  15. longtimefan

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    Cant believe how bad Milwaukee sports talk radio is blasting Tramon for his play last week...

    Yet if you read posts here, Tramon either just misplayed AP, or Capers has to go
     
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  16. NorthWestCheeseHead

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    Eh, everyone will have different perspectives on the same issue. I'm not surprised really. I just think most of the coaching hate is off base. I think we have one of the best coaching staffs in the NFL though they need to shack things up with the way the coach tackling imo.
     
  17. weeds

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    I've never been a fan of the 3-4 - I guess that comes with the territory of being old school. ;) Capers?? I don't know...but I'm not about to trash one of "OUR" guys. I don't have a disdain for Capers, I just don't like the 3-4.

    Tramon is getting heat because either Buck or the other guy made a reference to Williams' "getting out of Peterson's way. He didn't want nothing to do with that." ...and that's all it took for it take on a life of its own. Williams is a 'cover guy'...never been a physical, in-your-grill, DB. Early in the game, he introduced himself to Peterson and got steamrolled ... haha ... that doesn't excuse him pulling up (in my opinion) 3 times after that, but, it does explain it somewhat. Wish I could say that a collision with a runner like Peterson wouldn't make me take pause. Being critical is one of the perks of being an old guy watching on TV.

    Peterson's running style reminds me so much of the punishing style that used to be John Brockington all those years ago. The guy's tree-trunk like legs are always moving. A running back whose cleats spend a minimum of time in the turf, and has a fully extended thrust leg in the running motion is just a punishing son-of-a-biscuit to bring down...and a DB trying to knock him off of his feet by shooting himself like a missile at his lower body with no wrap-up is just going to end up looking pretty fricken stupid. Still, in my opinion, Tramon's earlier encounter with Peterson's "hit and run" ... made him ... well ... scared (for lack of a better term). I can understand that, but can't accept it from a guy making 3 mil to be on that field. There are no "specialists" on an NFL defense. Calling someone "just a cover guy" just ain't cuttin' it. However, I do understand why he'd be hesitant to have his upper body shoved up his own @$$ hitting Peterson. :) Just sayin'....
     
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