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<blockquote data-quote="Oannes" data-source="post: 149857" data-attributes="member: 816"><p>Tell that to the bookmakers in Las Vegas. I guarantee they don't have an optimistic or pessimistic approach to setting lines. There is a third option... It's not being optimistic or pessimistic...it's called REALISTIC which is what the lines in Vegas are....REALISTIC.</p><p></p><p>Did I call the entire mock draft credible? No. I commented on where he had GREEN BAY picking. That sounds about right to me.</p><p></p><p>How does picking 12th put us in a negative light?</p><p></p><p>People are "optimistic" about this season...why?</p><p></p><p>Is it because you believe in TT's improve from within line and since we were 8-8 we'll do better than that in '07?</p><p></p><p>Is it because we finished on a 4 game win streak? If it is...look a little closer. We beat a horrific Vikings team who was starting a DIVISION II ROOKIE QB and we beat them 9-7. We struggled with a terrible Lions team but prevailed 17-9. The only impressive win was vs. SF at their place where we ALWAYS play well. The Bears game was a total fluke. We were geeked out of our gourds to get revenge for getting shut out at home. The Bears brought ZERO intensity to that game, but spin it how you like. </p><p></p><p>The improvement we're going to make isn't going to vault us to victories over teams the likes of the Patriots, Jets, Saints and Bears. Of course, it's possible to win on "any given Sunday" but I'm talking likelihood's here. </p><p></p><p>The other statement thrown out to disqualify my thinking is that all 32 teams had drafts. Seldom do draft picks impact what you're doing on the field that season. Besides, everyone thinks the other teams in the division did better than us. </p><p></p><p>There isn't anything wrong with hoping Brandon Jackson is better than Ahman Green, or James Jones might be a good receiver this season, or hoping Harrell is like a young Warren Sapp. The likelihoods of these are all minute. That is realism not pessimism.</p><p></p><p>I am optimistic about guys like Zac Alcorn. I expect him to be a nice contributor at TE. I'm hopeful Mason Crosby is a difference maker when we need a ridiculously long FG. I'm hopeful that Jennings is able to stay healthy and improve on last year as well as the Oline getting better. I'm hopeful McCarthy is a better coach in '07. I'm hopeful we finally don't have a huge black hole at our safety position and Rouse or Underwood can fill it. </p><p></p><p>Realistically, this all adds up to about 7-9. Why is that wrong?</p><p></p><p>What do you think is going to happen? 13-3 and a run through the playoffs?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Oannes, post: 149857, member: 816"] Tell that to the bookmakers in Las Vegas. I guarantee they don't have an optimistic or pessimistic approach to setting lines. There is a third option... It's not being optimistic or pessimistic...it's called REALISTIC which is what the lines in Vegas are....REALISTIC. Did I call the entire mock draft credible? No. I commented on where he had GREEN BAY picking. That sounds about right to me. How does picking 12th put us in a negative light? People are "optimistic" about this season...why? Is it because you believe in TT's improve from within line and since we were 8-8 we'll do better than that in '07? Is it because we finished on a 4 game win streak? If it is...look a little closer. We beat a horrific Vikings team who was starting a DIVISION II ROOKIE QB and we beat them 9-7. We struggled with a terrible Lions team but prevailed 17-9. The only impressive win was vs. SF at their place where we ALWAYS play well. The Bears game was a total fluke. We were geeked out of our gourds to get revenge for getting shut out at home. The Bears brought ZERO intensity to that game, but spin it how you like. The improvement we're going to make isn't going to vault us to victories over teams the likes of the Patriots, Jets, Saints and Bears. Of course, it's possible to win on "any given Sunday" but I'm talking likelihood's here. The other statement thrown out to disqualify my thinking is that all 32 teams had drafts. Seldom do draft picks impact what you're doing on the field that season. Besides, everyone thinks the other teams in the division did better than us. There isn't anything wrong with hoping Brandon Jackson is better than Ahman Green, or James Jones might be a good receiver this season, or hoping Harrell is like a young Warren Sapp. The likelihoods of these are all minute. That is realism not pessimism. I am optimistic about guys like Zac Alcorn. I expect him to be a nice contributor at TE. I'm hopeful Mason Crosby is a difference maker when we need a ridiculously long FG. I'm hopeful that Jennings is able to stay healthy and improve on last year as well as the Oline getting better. I'm hopeful McCarthy is a better coach in '07. I'm hopeful we finally don't have a huge black hole at our safety position and Rouse or Underwood can fill it. Realistically, this all adds up to about 7-9. Why is that wrong? What do you think is going to happen? 13-3 and a run through the playoffs? [/QUOTE]
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