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<blockquote data-quote="Chicocheese" data-source="post: 393733" data-attributes="member: 4187"><p>I'm just saying if the ball is dropped by the receiver, the mark shouldn't go against the QB. I'm not saying that it should go against the WR either, but IMO the receiver is more at fault. Now, if the receiver's route gets jumped, or the QB just straight up tosses the ball to the defense that would be the QB fault. Even if the QB gets hit as he throws that should go against the QB too, because he should have either not thrown the ball, or the defense did it's job and affected the pass. However, when the QB makes a clean throw, and the receiver just botches the catch (that is, with out any defensive involvement up until that point.) that is NOT the defense affecting the pass, and as such should not be a mark against the QB.</p><p></p><p>Now, in the case of the Urlacher INT that was bad read that therefore an interception on Rodger's fault.</p><p></p><p>Also, @longtimefan the James Jones dropped pass INT was not too high. He jumped high enough, and got his hands squarely on the ball. He simply did not catch it. The WR in the NFL get paid a lot of money to catch a football, even if they have to jump a bit. Also, I am not harping on James Jones, Greg Jennings, or anyone else in the Packers' receiving corps I am just stating what I see and that I think the INT should not be counted against the QB.</p><p></p><p>Perhaps you could call it a DINT, or a Deflected Interception. A stat that is purely defensive. The mark goes against neither the QB or the WR, but is credited to the defensive player who catches the loose ball. I do believe that defenses should get credit for these interceptions, since they made the play on the loose, airborne ball and caught it. Should the stat be retroactive? No. Should it go into affect? IMO yes. Think of it like in baseball, how a Save became a stat. MLB didn't go back and see who DID get saves in the past, but they started recording them per their rules as to what a Save is.</p><p></p><p>That brings me to my next point: What would a DINT be? A DINT would a pass that is tipped by an OFFENSIVE player ONLY that is making a play on the ball, that ends up being caught by a defensive player. So, what I am saying is that if Jay Cutler throws a ball to Forte, and the ball is dropped/tipped by Forte and Woodson ends up snagging the ball, that would be a DINT. Now, if Cutler tossed the ball to Forte, and Raji tipped it, and Woodson ended up snagging the ball that would remain an INT since the defense made the play on the ball/caused the tip that allowed the ball to be intercepted. Lastly, say Cutler threw the ball and it bounced off of one of his O-lineman's helmet or shoulder, then landed in the Packers' hands, that would also remain an INT because it was an error pass, not an error catch.</p><p></p><p>Call me crazy, but I think this would be a good new stat too have. It wouldn't be hard to categorize and could take affect without having to adjust your play style. Unlike the bogus Roughing the Passer/Kicker calls when the defensive player is flying in the air BEFORE the QB (or kicker) gets rid of the ball, but since the defender makes contact with the passer/kicker after the ball is released, it is called RTP/K and now you have to change how you play the game because you are worried of getting called for a penalty or worse.</p><p></p><p>Thanks for you time!</p><p></p><p>--Rob.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chicocheese, post: 393733, member: 4187"] I'm just saying if the ball is dropped by the receiver, the mark shouldn't go against the QB. I'm not saying that it should go against the WR either, but IMO the receiver is more at fault. Now, if the receiver's route gets jumped, or the QB just straight up tosses the ball to the defense that would be the QB fault. Even if the QB gets hit as he throws that should go against the QB too, because he should have either not thrown the ball, or the defense did it's job and affected the pass. However, when the QB makes a clean throw, and the receiver just botches the catch (that is, with out any defensive involvement up until that point.) that is NOT the defense affecting the pass, and as such should not be a mark against the QB. Now, in the case of the Urlacher INT that was bad read that therefore an interception on Rodger's fault. Also, @longtimefan the James Jones dropped pass INT was not too high. He jumped high enough, and got his hands squarely on the ball. He simply did not catch it. The WR in the NFL get paid a lot of money to catch a football, even if they have to jump a bit. Also, I am not harping on James Jones, Greg Jennings, or anyone else in the Packers' receiving corps I am just stating what I see and that I think the INT should not be counted against the QB. Perhaps you could call it a DINT, or a Deflected Interception. A stat that is purely defensive. The mark goes against neither the QB or the WR, but is credited to the defensive player who catches the loose ball. I do believe that defenses should get credit for these interceptions, since they made the play on the loose, airborne ball and caught it. Should the stat be retroactive? No. Should it go into affect? IMO yes. Think of it like in baseball, how a Save became a stat. MLB didn't go back and see who DID get saves in the past, but they started recording them per their rules as to what a Save is. That brings me to my next point: What would a DINT be? A DINT would a pass that is tipped by an OFFENSIVE player ONLY that is making a play on the ball, that ends up being caught by a defensive player. So, what I am saying is that if Jay Cutler throws a ball to Forte, and the ball is dropped/tipped by Forte and Woodson ends up snagging the ball, that would be a DINT. Now, if Cutler tossed the ball to Forte, and Raji tipped it, and Woodson ended up snagging the ball that would remain an INT since the defense made the play on the ball/caused the tip that allowed the ball to be intercepted. Lastly, say Cutler threw the ball and it bounced off of one of his O-lineman's helmet or shoulder, then landed in the Packers' hands, that would also remain an INT because it was an error pass, not an error catch. Call me crazy, but I think this would be a good new stat too have. It wouldn't be hard to categorize and could take affect without having to adjust your play style. Unlike the bogus Roughing the Passer/Kicker calls when the defensive player is flying in the air BEFORE the QB (or kicker) gets rid of the ball, but since the defender makes contact with the passer/kicker after the ball is released, it is called RTP/K and now you have to change how you play the game because you are worried of getting called for a penalty or worse. Thanks for you time! --Rob. [/QUOTE]
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