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Shields a goner?

Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by HardRightEdge, Oct 21, 2012.

  1. HardRightEdge

    HardRightEdge Cheesehead

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    Lost in all the Jennings FA talk is the fact Shields is a FA after 2012.

    He will certainly draw decent interest in the FA market given he's back to 2010 form. If Hayward continues to prove up, Shields may be a money casualty.

    Since I like Shields as a player more than most (all?) posters here, I will guess the responses will be mostly "who cares".
     
  2. 12theTruth

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    Is he really back to 2010 form? I don't see the consistancy when he's been a number 2 corner. I'd pay him nickel back money. Maybe the Packers can get him at a reasonable price... crosses fingers......
     
  3. 7thFloorRA

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    I would keep him. I don't think he will have a huge market so he shouldn't be hard to resign.
     
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  4. Wood Chipper

    Wood Chipper Fantasy Football Guru

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    Agreed.
     
  5. HardRightEdge

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    Really? Nobody's been throwing at him much this season.

    Somebody noted last week he's had 3 pass interferences against him. One was bogus (Seattle), another was ticky tack. Otherwise, the completions against him in man coverage are virtually nil. Maybe not even virtually. Teams have been attacking Williams underneath all year instead. I think there are a lot of teams who see him as a big upgrade at their #2 CB, and those guys command some quite decent coin.
     
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  6. HardRightEdge

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    Would you match 5 years / $25 million? If he gets back healthy and back on the field, I think he could get that.
     
  7. Bensalama21

    Bensalama21 Ben

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    He's the fastest player on the team plus he had a great play that resulted in a pick the last game he played. The kid has potential
     
  8. longtimefan

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    No way he gets that unless the rest of the year he plays incredible
     
  9. HardRightEdge

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    I don't see "potential"...I see an almost-shut-down corner. I forget to mention...his tackling is way improved this year.
     
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  10. HardRightEdge

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    We'll see. I think he only needs to keep playing like he has. Cornerbacks get paid like WRs these days.

    Consider this:

    Coming into this week, WASH was last in the league in defensive passing yards and 22nd. in defensive passer rating. They're paying DeAngelo hall $55 mil over 6 years at one corner, Josh Wilson $13.5 mil over 3 years at the other corner. Shields will be only 25 next season.
     
  11. longtimefan

    longtimefan Super Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

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    Some salaries, some better than Sam some maybe equal...

    He may get a big signing bonus, but not money like some of these, also considering who else we have to sign..

    http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/carlos-rogers/
    4 yrs 29 mill

    http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/st.-louis-rams/cortland-finnegan/
    5 yrs 50 mill

    http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/brandon-carr/
    5 yrs 50 mill

    http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/denver-broncos/tracy-porter/
    1 yr 4mill


    http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/atlanta-falcons/asante-samuel/
    3 yrs 14 mill

    http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers/ike-taylor/
    4 yrs 28 mill
     
  12. FrankRizzo

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    Corners that can cover, have his speed, and are still young will get a BIG offer from someone.
    We won't be able to keep him.
    I wish we could.
    But they like the youngsters Hayward as well as Davon House.
    Can't pay everyone $6 mil a year.
     
  13. HardRightEdge

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    I think $5 mil for Shields vs. $7 mil for (overrated) Ike Taylor is a fair comparison. Carlos Rodgers is underpaid. I see it the other way around, though...a smallish guarantee given the up and down years...maybe $6 - $8 mil or so...to protect against regression back to 2011 form.

    I doubt the Pack will pony that up if Hayward keeps it up and House shows some flashes. I don't get the sense the coaches like Shields much, which also does not work in his favor.
     
  14. longtimefan

    longtimefan Super Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

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    Even with the f/a we have, you see Sam getting paid?


    http://www.packerforum.com/threads/2013-packers-free-agents.39267/


    UNRESTRICTED (7)


    Greg Jennings, WR*
    29
    6
    $3,885,000


    Donald Driver, WR
    37
    13
    $1,100,000


    Cedric Benson, RB*
    29
    7
    $825,000


    Brett Goode, LS
    27
    4
    $700,000


    Phillip Merling, DE
    27
    3
    $700,000


    Erik Walden, LB
    27
    4
    $700,000


    Brad Jones, LB
    26
    3
    $615,000


    RESTRICTED (5)


    Evan Dietrich-Smith, C
    26
    2
    $615,000


    Tom Crabtree, TE
    26
    2
    $540,000


    Rob Francois, LB
    27
    2
    $540,000


    Sam Shields, CB*
    24
    2
    $540,000


    Frank Zombo, LB
    25
    2
    $540,000
     
  15. HardRightEdge

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    I'm not seeing your point. No, I don't see the Pack matching what I think he'll be offered in free agency, if that's the question and if it was posed to me...that was the point of the thread, no? As for this list, there's nothing to be concerned about there except Jennings and Shields. The only guys on that list who aren't bubble guys to begin with are Crabtree, Walden and Goode, and none of those guys will get too much of a raise. Benson is a wild card as to whether he'll be back...even so, the dollars would not be large given the injury.
     
  16. Aaron rodgers is god

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    I wouldn't even come close to 5 years 25 million. We need to resign guys like Matthews, Rodgers, Raji, etc... Way to much for a player who hasn't been a starter for an entire year yet. Plus he is average when it comes to corners. There are plenty of corners better than him.
     
  17. HardRightEdge

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    He's been an island corner for the last 2 years now when we run nickel, which has been about 70% of the snaps. While Woodson was the "starter" on the island in base prior to this year, Shields has been out there as a regular going back to 2010. He's often been invisible because many teams did not want to throw at him in 2010, and again this year. Last year, they threw under him quite a bit because he decided he didn't need to tackle. That has not been an issue this year.
     
  18. burt packerack

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    I would feel sorry if we release shields because he has a huge tattoo of the packers super bowl ring on his neck. But i love hayward
     
  19. rodell330

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    Shields won't be back sorry dudes. Casey Heyward has shown he can play cb in this league and even fill in as a starter. Next year Heyward and House will battle for the number 2 corner spot and the loser will play nickle. I like Shields but he has been outplayed by Heyward thus far and House outplayed him during the pre-season and if not for a shoulder injury would have been starting.
     
  20. mradtke66

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    I see him sticking next year, easily. First, he's a RESTRICTED free agent, so as long as we tender him as a first rounder, he'll stick.

    Long term, I still see him as a starter. While we might like to hate on him, he's done well. PFF only negative on him right now is his penalties. If you don't we'll still need 4 good corners to run our dime defense. If you really think that Woodson isn't around next year (Rodell, you seem to think this if you think House/Hayward will be the nickel), then Shields will be, at worst, the number 4 next year.

    Longer, Longer term, Tramon is 29. He's a great corner, but he doesn't have Woodson's pedigree. How long before he starts to slip?
     
  21. BrettsFavor

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    If it were me, try to sign him for a deal, let him walk if he wants more money. Be willing to come back with a slightly bigger offer if he has no takers in FA.

    Otherwise; Snag another CB in the draft.
     
  22. JBlood

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    Thanks for this post. Here are all Packers salaries for 2012, and contract durations: http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/138820739.html Matthews' contract expires after next year, and they will reward him with a new one before that--worth many times his present 1.9 million--probably in the range of 8-10 million/yr. Rogers' contract expires in 2014, and I would expect his contract to be re-worked before next year. I would imagine the Packers will make him the highest paid QB in the league, which means at least $20 million/ year. Cobb is also due a new contract after 2014, and they should give him a new one before next year--probably worth 7-9 million/yr. If they keep Shields-you can't have too many cornerbacks-do they let Woodson, and his huge contract, go? They've got a lot of new money due in the next year or 2.
     
  23. AmishMafia

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    I think you are undervaluing Shields. He is a very good player. I think many forget, he only played 1 year of CB in college and now 2 full years in the pros. Basically, he has had as much experience right now, as the average rookie. He has amazing tools and he is still learning the position. I don't think its outlandish to predict a very good player developing even further and being dominant.

    $25M/5 years? Not bad.

    The only thing that would stop us is as others have said, House and Heyward. But having too many good CBs should never be considered a problem.
     
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  24. longtimefan

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    I forgot to add the ones due for new contacts b4 they hit fa..Others have pointed them out..

    Glad I am not Ted
     
  25. UpDownEndAround

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    I think Jennings is the clearest goner of all the bigger names based on our wealth of riches at the WR position and the fact that Jennings will be looking for his retirement fund contract. I really like Shields, and I think we will definitely try to keep him. TT values the CB position highly, and with this being a passing league, I think they definitely try and re-sign him. House is far from proven although you have to like the potential. Hayward is solid, but he is small and it will be a chore for him to cover the big WRs like Johnson and Marshall if he has to. Put me in the camp of wanting to keep Shields, but I agree it's not an easy choice one way or another. Anyone who can't see he's playing much better than last year isn't paying attention. Especially regarding his tackling, which was a point of criticism with his game.
     

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