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<blockquote data-quote="HardRightEdge" data-source="post: 629172"><p>I've never engaged a lawyer in my life other than for wills, real estate transactions and an estate. I've never sued or been sued; I've never even received a letter from the IRS.</p><p></p><p>Questions:</p><p></p><p>When you nit picked that post, did you think I believed <em>every injury at every point in time </em>has a gray area?</p><p></p><p>Would you think I'd believe that a guy who just blew his ACL last week and is in a cast this week after surgery would be in a gray area?</p><p></p><p>"Lawyering", as I define it, is:</p><p></p><p>(1) disingenuously parsing words to discredit an argument as you did in focusing on the statement, "Medical clearance is a gray area" when the rest of the post clearly indicates that's not a blanket statement, as if anybody would think that in the first place, or</p><p></p><p>(2) isolating on a small point, insignificant or irrelevant to the larger argument, in an effort to discredit that argument.</p><p></p><p>You have a habit of doing both. The shoe fits. It's been going on for quite some time, and not just with me. I've grown tired of it; I'll continue to call you out on it.</p><p></p><p>As for the concussion protocol, there is a point at which it reaches a gray area that involves questions about how the player feels.</p><p></p><p>As for the last point regarding macho thinking, you're entitled to that opinion, but it is evidently not consistent with Packer thinking nor with mine.</p><p></p><p>We've seem many instances of Packer players engaging in just that kind of "macho" thinking...guys playing with known injuries or injuries we find out about after the fact. Rodgers, Sitton, Lang, Bulaga, Cobb, even Adams when he came back too early and ended up limping down the field and put to the sidelines. We were told in the offseason that Perry was impaired most the off season with a bum shoulder. We've seen Matthews, and more recently Palmer, playing with a club. Tramon Williams, prior to one season, said his shoulder was just fine when it didn't look like it when the season was underway, only to admit it wasn't quite right after the season.</p><p></p><p>Do you think Bulaga isn't risking further injury at this juncture, having had 4 surgeries on that knee? Do you think the Packers don't know that? Do you think no Packer player ever takes a needle?</p><p></p><p>Now, if you want to make the argument, for example, that it was OK for Rodgers to play on his injury a the end of last season because, well, it was the end of the season, and that he should not have played under the same condition in week 6, that's an entirely different question, and one I would also take issue with.</p><p></p><p>So, you can have your opinions and I'll have my arguments.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="HardRightEdge, post: 629172"] I've never engaged a lawyer in my life other than for wills, real estate transactions and an estate. I've never sued or been sued; I've never even received a letter from the IRS. Questions: When you nit picked that post, did you think I believed [I]every injury at every point in time [/I]has a gray area? Would you think I'd believe that a guy who just blew his ACL last week and is in a cast this week after surgery would be in a gray area? "Lawyering", as I define it, is: (1) disingenuously parsing words to discredit an argument as you did in focusing on the statement, "Medical clearance is a gray area" when the rest of the post clearly indicates that's not a blanket statement, as if anybody would think that in the first place, or (2) isolating on a small point, insignificant or irrelevant to the larger argument, in an effort to discredit that argument. You have a habit of doing both. The shoe fits. It's been going on for quite some time, and not just with me. I've grown tired of it; I'll continue to call you out on it. As for the concussion protocol, there is a point at which it reaches a gray area that involves questions about how the player feels. As for the last point regarding macho thinking, you're entitled to that opinion, but it is evidently not consistent with Packer thinking nor with mine. We've seem many instances of Packer players engaging in just that kind of "macho" thinking...guys playing with known injuries or injuries we find out about after the fact. Rodgers, Sitton, Lang, Bulaga, Cobb, even Adams when he came back too early and ended up limping down the field and put to the sidelines. We were told in the offseason that Perry was impaired most the off season with a bum shoulder. We've seen Matthews, and more recently Palmer, playing with a club. Tramon Williams, prior to one season, said his shoulder was just fine when it didn't look like it when the season was underway, only to admit it wasn't quite right after the season. Do you think Bulaga isn't risking further injury at this juncture, having had 4 surgeries on that knee? Do you think the Packers don't know that? Do you think no Packer player ever takes a needle? Now, if you want to make the argument, for example, that it was OK for Rodgers to play on his injury a the end of last season because, well, it was the end of the season, and that he should not have played under the same condition in week 6, that's an entirely different question, and one I would also take issue with. So, you can have your opinions and I'll have my arguments. [/QUOTE]
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