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<blockquote data-quote="PackAttack12" data-source="post: 799103" data-attributes="member: 11933"><p>This again? <img src="/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/rolleyes.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":rolleyes:" title="Roll Eyes :rolleyes:" data-shortname=":rolleyes:" /></p><p></p><p>The same exact things were being insinuated throughout the end of the 2015 season and early on in the 2016 season. And all he did was play the greatest quarterback stretch I've ever seen played at the end of that season.</p><p></p><p>So admittedly, 2015 wasn't a great year, particularly post-Denver. And 2016 wasn't great through the first several games of the year. But let's try to be a little fair about the numbers you laid out there. It's easy to look at "post 2015" and say that those numbers were far worse than 2008-early 2015.</p><p></p><p>But this is what I would prefer to do. Just going by the last 9 games of the 2016 season (including the playoffs):</p><p></p><p>115.48 passer rating</p><p>67.68 completion percentage</p><p>24-2 touchdown/interception ratio</p><p>8-1 record</p><p></p><p>Now let's look at the start of the 2017 season prior to the collarbone injury:</p><p></p><p>106.14 passer rating</p><p>66.66% completion percentage</p><p>13-3 touchdown/interception ratio</p><p>4-1 record</p><p></p><p>Not going to include the Minnesota game where he didn't even finish a quarter and not going to include the 1st game back after the collarbone injury. That's just nonsensical.</p><p></p><p>So collectively, during this "decline" period, we're looking at a completion percentage that is higher than his career average, we're looking at a touchdown/interception ratio that is higher than his career average, we're looking at a passer rating that is higher than his career average, and we're looking at a winning percentage that is higher than his career average.</p><p></p><p>This is during the decline period. <img src="/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/roflmao.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":roflmao:" title="ROFLMAO :roflmao:" data-shortname=":roflmao:" /></p><p></p><p>So let's sum up where we're at right now.....</p><p></p><p>Again, week 7 of 2015 until week 10 of 2016 was bad, no doubt. He went through a rough spell that just about every single quarterback in the history of the National Football League has went through. So after that point, up until the start of the 2018 season, he put up numbers better than his career averages.</p><p></p><p>Now let's get to 2018. His favorite target maybe of all time is gone (Jordy). The #2 and #3 receivers have been in and out and banged up for much of the season (Cobb, Allison), he's forced to throw to rookies who aren't on the same page as he is. THEN, not only that, he's dealing with a knee injury that would keep most quarterbacks sidelined. His mobility, which is arguably his greatest asset as a quarterback, is compromised, and because of that he cannot escape the pocket and make the plays down the field. So instead, those situations result in an awkward throw away because he cannot scramble. That's a huge factor in the completion percentage.</p><p></p><p>Add all of that up, and for the 2018 season, the man is still 15 touchdowns to 1 interception with a passer rating of 98.9 which would be <strong>3rd all time</strong>, and a completion percentage that is above 60 even with the compromised mobility and integrating of new parts.</p><p></p><p>And this is what you would consider "decline"?</p><p></p><p>My goodness. This is just getting exhausting. I would argue the only "decline" I'm seeing is in some of the rationale of packer forum members who are reaching for anything to explain why the Packers currently have a losing record.</p><p></p><p>/rant over.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="PackAttack12, post: 799103, member: 11933"] This again? :rolleyes: The same exact things were being insinuated throughout the end of the 2015 season and early on in the 2016 season. And all he did was play the greatest quarterback stretch I've ever seen played at the end of that season. So admittedly, 2015 wasn't a great year, particularly post-Denver. And 2016 wasn't great through the first several games of the year. But let's try to be a little fair about the numbers you laid out there. It's easy to look at "post 2015" and say that those numbers were far worse than 2008-early 2015. But this is what I would prefer to do. Just going by the last 9 games of the 2016 season (including the playoffs): 115.48 passer rating 67.68 completion percentage 24-2 touchdown/interception ratio 8-1 record Now let's look at the start of the 2017 season prior to the collarbone injury: 106.14 passer rating 66.66% completion percentage 13-3 touchdown/interception ratio 4-1 record Not going to include the Minnesota game where he didn't even finish a quarter and not going to include the 1st game back after the collarbone injury. That's just nonsensical. So collectively, during this "decline" period, we're looking at a completion percentage that is higher than his career average, we're looking at a touchdown/interception ratio that is higher than his career average, we're looking at a passer rating that is higher than his career average, and we're looking at a winning percentage that is higher than his career average. This is during the decline period. :roflmao: So let's sum up where we're at right now..... Again, week 7 of 2015 until week 10 of 2016 was bad, no doubt. He went through a rough spell that just about every single quarterback in the history of the National Football League has went through. So after that point, up until the start of the 2018 season, he put up numbers better than his career averages. Now let's get to 2018. His favorite target maybe of all time is gone (Jordy). The #2 and #3 receivers have been in and out and banged up for much of the season (Cobb, Allison), he's forced to throw to rookies who aren't on the same page as he is. THEN, not only that, he's dealing with a knee injury that would keep most quarterbacks sidelined. His mobility, which is arguably his greatest asset as a quarterback, is compromised, and because of that he cannot escape the pocket and make the plays down the field. So instead, those situations result in an awkward throw away because he cannot scramble. That's a huge factor in the completion percentage. Add all of that up, and for the 2018 season, the man is still 15 touchdowns to 1 interception with a passer rating of 98.9 which would be [B]3rd all time[/B], and a completion percentage that is above 60 even with the compromised mobility and integrating of new parts. And this is what you would consider "decline"? My goodness. This is just getting exhausting. I would argue the only "decline" I'm seeing is in some of the rationale of packer forum members who are reaching for anything to explain why the Packers currently have a losing record. /rant over. [/QUOTE]
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