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Mike McCarthy in his tollbooth days?
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Well, that's sorta the point.
(Creeping out is unintended but it's a side effect.)
Funny you should mention that because I do like Kevin Bacon in some movies I've watched.Dude im not gonna lie, for awhile I thought you were one of those Kevin Bacon crazy fans because id just glance over it real quick. Never realized that was Tom Brady til now lol.
Drew Brees the best quarterback ever? Please. He's making his case for one of the best that has ever played the position, sure. But just because he has a bunch of inflated statistics thanks to the rule changes in the NFL and having the luxury of playing half of his games in a dome, shouldn't cloud people's judgement. Three passers went over 5,000 yards this season. That's a sign of the times. Great quarterback. Best of all time? No. That's absurd. Some Saints fans are being delusional.
Agreed 100% Clearly, Rodgers is the best QB of all time. Stoopid Saints fans...
He wasn't the best QB in 2009?
Drew Brees 365/514, 70.6%, 4,388 yards, 34 TD/11 INT
Peyton Manning 393/571, 68.8%, 4,500 yards, 33 TD/16 INT
Looks like he out played everyone's favorite for MVP that season, and in the Super Bowl, everyone over looks the stats for the interception but Brees had far better numbers than Manning. I've never seen a QB ever play at his level and constantly get snubbed, Brees puts up MVP numbers in 2009, losses the MVP for the golden boy, and people still talk like he's not good enough.
Forgot to mention Peyton didn't really get a chance to play the final two games, otherwise the colts would have been 16-0 and peyton's stats would have been better than that.
I don't agree you can't put Rodgers up there with Brees. Brees, in his career, has had 3 100+ rating seasons (10 years as starter). Rodgers has the same 3, but in 4 seasons as a starter. Rodgers' TD% has been higher than 5.2 each year, and has gone up each year (5.2, 5.5, 5.9, 9.0). Brees has only surpassed 5.0 5 times, half of his career. INT%, Rodgers has never gone above 2.4 (Brees is 2.1 this year), while Brees has gone BELOW that mark only 4 seasons. In the same light, Brees has had a YPA higher than 8 only 4 times, whereas Rodgers had only 1 season (his first) below 8.0.Yes we are insane. If you've ever been in the Dome for a big game there'd be no doubt in your mind.
As far as the MVP discussion goes I could care less. It's just the opinion of 50 fat blowhards anyway. I guess it would look good on Drew's HOF resume' though.
I registered here specifically to join in this discussion. And just for the record it's nice to see that there are still some classy fan boards around. It's pretty sad to see some of the things that I hear when I visit other boards. (Still get Katrina jokes and people making derogatory remarks our SB season, being called *******, hick etc..)
Also, glad to see people in other cities recognizing what a class act Drew Brees is. We love this guy not just because of what he's done for our team but because of who he is and what kind of man he is.
But let's not discount what he does on the field. No QB has ever done what Brees has done over a six year period. If you're a stats person look it up. It's amazing.) I'm an old dog. Unlike a lot of the posters here (or anywhere else for that matter) I vividly remember watching Starr, Taylor, Willie Woods and all the great players from the Lombardi years. In my opinion those were the best teams to ever play in the NFL. i was a Colts fan so hated those guys but you have to give credit where it's due. I also remember Marino, Unitas, Tarkenton, Staubach and that **** Montana. Call me a homer if you want but Brees is absolutely as good as any QB I've ever watched. Rodgers is having a great season, maybe one of the greatest, I expect that in a few years he'll be in the discussion as one of the best ever but it takes more than one or two seasons to qualify.
Stats aren't the be all that a lot of people seem to think they are but they do tell a story. Here are a few of Drew's,
NFL INDIVIDUAL RECORDS SET
NFL TEAM RECORDS SET
- Passing yards, season: Drew Brees, 5,467 (beats Marino)
- Seasons, 400 completions: Brees, 4, 2007-2008, 2010-2011.
- 300-yard passing games, season: Brees, 13. (beats Ganon)
- 350-yard passing games, season: Brees, 8.
- Games with 30 completions, season: Brees, 9.
- Consecutive games, 20 or more completions: Brees, 36.
- Consecutive seasons, 350 completions: Brees, 6, 2006-2011
- Games with 20 completions, season: Brees, 16. (ties his own record)
- Highest completion percentage, season: Brees, (468/657) 71.23% (beats his old record)
- Completions, season: Brees, 468. (beats Manning)
- Consecutive games, 300 or more yards passing: Brees, 7. (beats Young,Warner,Gannon)
- Number of seasons throwing over 5,000 yards: Brees 2 (2008 and 2011)
The one that hurts him is the ints. He has a tendency to try to force it when there's nothing there rather than just take the sack. On the other hand some of his best plays happen when he forces it. Marques Colston has made a career out of catching the ball with three guys hanging all over him. Rodgers will just run for the first in that situation. He's really good at it. But I'd rather see Drew throw a pick 6 than see him get busted up.
- Yards gained, season: 7,474. (beats St. Louis, 2000)
- First downs, season: 417. (beats Kansas City, 2004)
- First downs passing, season: 280. (beats San Diego, 1985)
- Passing completions, season: 472. (beats Indianapolis, New Orleans, 2010)
- Net passing yards gained, season: 5,347 (beats St. Louis, 2000)
- Completion percentage, season: 71.3% (482/662). (beats Cincinnati, 1982)
- Most points scored at home: 329
- 3rd down conversion: 56.7% (this to me is the most over looked)
Manning 4 MVP's and only 1 Super Bowl, enough said.
Wrong, Manning did play part time in those games, look up stats, they don't lie.
He started against Buffalo in the snow on the first few drives, threw an interception, benched and they got blown out. Even if he played that entire game, Colts still would have lost, cause they were struggling in the snow. If you want to bring that up you can say that about Brees not playing against Carolina, he didn't even start that game. 2009 your MVP was Drew Brees going by statistics. Regular season wins don't count, only Super Bowl win over Manning does.
If they are going by stats for MVP then Brees definitely was the MVP in 2009 but Peyton was everyone's golden child -- he got the MVP by popularity/homerism votes. I couldn't believe Brees didn't get it that year -- he was clearly the MVP. This is why I hate the media who votes for the MVP award. Clearly by stats Rodgers should be MVP this year and the Media keep saying Rodgers STATS are better than Brees.. you can't ignore Rodgers STATS. Then WTH happened in 2009? If STATS are all then why did Manning get it?
Seriously, MVP award needs to be awarded another way not by the MEDIA.
As long as Rodgers doesn't win a couple more SBs. Then it's another debate.I'll entertain Favre Rodgers rankings for #2 all time in Packer history when ranking QBs but Starr sits alone on that mountain.
I'm not gonna make a case that Brees had a better career than Peyton and Brady, I don't think he did, but IMHO Manning won the award in 09 out of sheer name recognition.Brees. 1 Super Bowl and no MVPs. And he beat a freaking Larry Coyer D in the SB with a one legged Freeney. Wooooow.
Enough said.
Dude you looooooooooove Brees. It's so obvious. But, lets stop being so biased. Peyton has carried a lot of very very flawed teams in this league and led them to the playoffs EVERY single season. Not even Brees has led his teams to the playoffs every year has he?
I know you love Brees to pieces but let's not put down Manning or even Brady at times to build your home town boy up.
As far as I am concerned in 2009 Manning deserved 3 MVPs for covering up the millions of mistakes of a rookie coach in Jim Caldwell and having ZERO run game.
Once again you and the Saints fan can go around talking about how robbed Brees was in 2009 all you want but the facts also don't lie. Manning creamed Brees in MVP voting and if not for Manning and so many comebacks that year that team was sunk.
Oh and is Rodgers better then Brees? You bet your who dat he is. He is the younger and bigger talent. Brees is getting older now like Brady/Manning. His fans will only get more and more uptight the older he gets and time is ticking for more glory.
Since nobody ever repeats the NFC South as the winner who wins it next year? Congrats to Cam Newton!!!!!
As for Rodgers, he's not in the top 50 yet. He's only been a starter for four years, and there are just too many old timers that people forget about. If he wins a second Super bowl this year, he'll probably jump into the top 40. Some people try to say he is the second greatest Packer QB already; I have him as 5th or 6th among Packers!.
Agreed.This was the point where you lost me. 5th or 6th with the greatest Packers QB season of all time?
Top Packer QBs.
1. Bart Starr
2. Brett Favre
3. Arnie Herber
4. Red Dunn
5. Aaron Rodgers or Cecil Isbell
Rodgers has a long, long way to go to sniff the top five all time.