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running backs

Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by shanks2122, Sep 16, 2007.

  1. shanks2122

    shanks2122 Cheesehead

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    im not to happy with the runningbacks there has been talk about the o-line not opening holes but i have seen holes well ok not holes but cut back lanes all over the place it seems like brandon jackson is to much of a down hill runner for the zone blocking scheme(even though he ran it at nebraska) yes wynn had a really nice run but that was the play calling by MM that got the run to spring open cause the giants were expecting pass as they should. I dont know maybe its just me. Anyways critisism please and every nice win.
     
  2. Greg C.

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    Like most fans, I do think it's mostly the O-line's fault. However, it seems like Jackson should've made at least one big play by now. Wynn has had one really nice play in each game so far, and Ryan Grant had a great catch-and-run in his one opportunity today.
     
  3. akweasel

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    Be patient with B-Jax.........as from watching in college he is a slow starter. In other words in college the game took some time for him to adjust to. I truly believe he will start pulling away from the other RB's.....and by next year you won't be questioning the selection of him period. He is the real deal, physical and has moves. He just takes longer then most imho to adjust to the speed of the next level he moves up to.

    Once this happens......he is a game breaker.


    Just my thoughts and take them for what they are worth (and I am not saying the other backs are bad or better....I am only speaking in regards to B-Jax).


    Take care,

    akweasel
     
  4. agopackgo4

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    The offensive line just flat out sucks at run blocking. Okay. so maybe the RB's missed a couple holes. But the majority of the time our running backs were ending up on there back by the time they got the ball handed to them. Our O line was shameful.
     
  5. de_real_deal

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    And Shawn Merriman "the juice" is coming to town.It seemed like the G-Girls got the snap count down they were anticipating it so well and the blocking was pretty bad considering the competition. At least pass blocking improved from week one, but maybe thats just cuz of lesser competition?
     
  6. TOPackerFan

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    Wynn looks a lot more instictive out there right now. He really should be starting I think (at least based on production). Grant actually flashed a bit too.
     
  7. digsthepack

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    I agree with Wynn taking more snaps. And let's put it this way....TT would not trade a 6th rounder for a guy he is not excited about. I think Grant will be a nice suprise as the season progresses.
     
  8. Heatherthepackgirl

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    I cringed everytime we ran the ball yesterday. They better practice it alittle bit more or ALOT more they are not seeming to get the job done in that area. I wonder why Grant isnt playing already, hes not ready yet?
     
  9. longtimefan

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    He did play yesterday..A screen pass for 21 yards
     
  10. longtimefan

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    Wynn 5.0 yards per carry
     
  11. dhpackr

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    Wynn seems to have good vision, he has some size to him and a good burst. B-Jack is a solid pass receiver out of the backfield, but when I watch him, jackson seems to stutter step, and is real in-decisive when he needs to make a cut and hit a crease. If there is a huge lane, jackson can run through it, but this kid still looks slow to me. if the pack has a 1000 yrd back this year, i think it will be wynn.
     
  12. yooperfan

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    I like what I have seen of Wynn.
     
  13. longtimefan

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    I would agree with you there..with not seeing Wynn in preseason we never knew what he had..but after yesterday Wynn looks to be more explosive and SEEMS to have more ablity to cut faster than Jackson
     
  14. bozz_2006

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    he certainly is more decisive, making a move and then sticking with it. jackson seems to make a move, then another, then another, then get tackled. Cut and Run!!!! What surprised me was Wynn's long run! he doesn't look like a burner because he's so.... fat. He's got surprising speed for being so... fat. Jerome Bettis anyone?
     
  15. Pack93z

    Pack93z You retired too? .... Not me. I'm in my prime

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    To me, it looks like Jackson either doesn't have the vision (which he showed last year at Neb) or that he is still overthinking the game, which leads him to be tentative. He looks to be the more agile back, but Wynn seems to see the field better and makes better reads.
     
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    more agile = less fat. right now wynn's decision making is really what our offense needs. just play the game, don't think about playing it. play it.
     
  17. dhpackr

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    I do like B-Jack catching passes. I would like to see a formation where jackson starts out in the backfield, then is moved up to the line of scrimmage (like a WR), kind of like Philly uses Westbrook.
     
  18. cheesey

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    I think Jackson will be ok.........he's a rookie, thrown into the fire, with an O-line that has been awful so far. How many times did the Giants end up practically taking the handoff?
    Wynn has looked good for sure! He has size, a good burst, and some nifty moves!
    Hopefully the O-line will gets its act together and make some holes for these guys to run through!
     
  19. longtimefan

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    Alan, if you think Jackson is having trouble cuz of the O-L, why isnt Wynn?

    I think its because Wynn as everyone esle seems to agree, has better vision and can re-act better...

    and the Giants did seem to be in the back field just as much as the Rb and Brett
     
  20. Danreb

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    The reason why Wynn was drafted so low is because Florida runs a shotgun offense and the guy never really had a chance to produce.

    Sure, he's built a reputation of being lazy, but when you have Chris Leak and you do nothing but throw the ball--why is the RB suddenly gonna take the blame for anything?
     
  21. all about da packers

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    Post of the year, in my opinion.

    I'm probably one of the handful on this forum that still thinks B-Jack should be starting and will become an outstanding back given time to develop.

    I don't know why, when I look at B-Jack and I see a player that will eventually become a star.

    I agree with you that time is what B-Jack needs, and I think he is improving from one week to the next.

    I love his elusiveness, and I thought he was playing a bit faster on the field than he did last week.

    It's a hunch and nothing more, but because of that hunch I'm going to say B-Jack should be our starter indefinitely.
     
  22. Aytumious

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    I also see a lot in Jackson, despite his mediocre production so far. He's a very slippery back who always keeps his feet moving.

    Its really hard to gauge the RBs with our OL blocking so poorly, but I like what I've seen out of both Jackson and Wynn in terms of how they project going forward.
     
  23. millertime

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    Anyone think Wynn's success is a result of B-Jack? Jackson started and faced the Giant's defense when NY was still in the game.

    Remember when the camera showed the Giants defense and they were just demoralized? Wynn broke his long run while playing against a defense that had given up. (Not a shot to Wynn, he had a hell of a game.)

    Remember last year when Ahman would run on 1st and 2nd down? He would tire out the defense which would allow Morency to gain 10+ yard carries on third down. Ahman's play was a big reason why Vernand had such a high YPC last year. (Not a shot to Vernand, he was a great change of pace back.

    I think a lot of Wynn's success has been a result of his own ability and talent. But I do think that B-Jack helped him out by being pounded on 1st and 2nd downs, and tiring out that defense.
     
  24. millertime

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    What really excites me about our running backs is that they all protect the ball. Has anyone fumbled yet???
     
  25. all about da packers

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    You make very interesting points millertime.

    I also agree with your ball-security comment. Hopefully it continues. :D
     

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