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I really like Booker out of Utah for a 3rd or 4th round pick.
To Dougherty's point, Starks is the insurance against continuing Lacy issues. I have a hard time seeing the Packers spending a 2nd. or 3rd. round pick for another Lacy contingency plan...more like a change of pace back in the lower rounds and a between-the-tackles runner for the practice squad.
Jonathan Williams from Arkansas will probably fall late due to missing all of 2015 because of injury. He's a good player who actually had a good game against Alabama, which doesn't happen when you're a one dimensional team. Strong, elusive back. Forced 44 missed tackles in his last full season and consecutive 1,000 yard seasons, with one of the toughest schedules in the country.
He only had under 4 YPC against two SEC opponents, or anyone for that matter, and the opposing teams just stacked the box because the offense was one-dimensional. He also shared carries practically 50/50, or else he would have easily put up a ton more yards.Williams mostly struggled against SEC opponents while impressing against non-conference teams. With him most likely ending up a day 2 pick I would like the Packers to pass on him.
He only had under 4 YPC against two SEC opponents, or anyone for that matter, and the opposing teams just stacked the box because the offense was one-dimensional. He also shared carries practically 50/50, or else he would have easily put up a ton more yards.
Fournette is the most gifted back I've seen in a while, and has a much more talented team around him, yet opposing teams were able to shut him down because they knew LSU could do nothing but run.
What I'm saying is, you are putting way too much emphasis on a couple of games. He looked great against many quality SEC opponents, despite the predictability of the offense.
Beilema likes 400 lbs. Linemen, no way they were running screens for their RBs. I understand what you're saying, but his lack of 100 yard games was because he was splitting carries with another guy who will get drafted this year, and every single team loaded the box because there was hardly a passing game. It's not like he was terrible, he just couldn't run through a brick wall, and was on one of the least talented teams in the SEC.During his college career Williams had only two 100+ rushing yards games against SEC opponents. With not offering a lot as a receiver and having missed the 2015 season because of an injury I'd rather pass on him.
This tape sums up his career.
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Beilema likes 400 lbs. Linemen, no way they were running screens for their RBs. I understand what you're saying, but his lack of 100 yard games was because he was splitting carries with another guy who will get drafted this year, and every single team loaded the box because there was hardly a passing game. It's not like he was terrible, he just couldn't run through a brick wall, and was on one of the least talented teams in the SEC.
If nothing else, this reaffirmed that I hope somehow Ragland is still around when the Packers picks at #27
Right. And it's not like Lacy is coming off a serious injury. Even if 2016 is a reprise of 2015, with the Lacy/Starks snaps spit evenly or tipping a bit toward Starks, he'd still be a good rotational back at a cheap price. While watching him rumbling and stumbling at the second level is not a pretty sight, his 4.1 average last season is pretty good for a guy who didn't pad that number with long gainers. At the same time, with the deep passing game being dysfunctional, teams were crowding the box with more frequency as opposed to a steady diet of 2-high safeties in the previous season.I agree with HRE on this. I see no need at trying to find a starting RB early or even mid round in the 2016 draft. We may very well have one in Lacy and a good quality backup in Starks. If Lacy's isn't a stellar back and we have a year like 2012 (year before Lacy was drafted), we revisit the position in the 2017 draft. I have high hopes for Lacy in 2016. I think not only will his off season work change the guy we saw carrying the ball this past season, but getting Jordy back and maybe having a passing game is going to be very beneficial to the run game.
So lacy gets hurt in preseason. Which is very possible... You comfortable with our current #3 and starks, or starks and a late round rookie, to ballance this offense all season???Right. And it's not like Lacy is coming off a serious injury. Even if 2016 is a reprise of 2015, with the Lacy/Starks snaps spit evenly or tipping a bit toward Starks, he'd still be a good rotational back at a cheap price. While watching him rumbling and stumbling at the second level is not a pretty sight, his 4.1 average last season is pretty good for a guy who didn't pad that number with long gainers. At the same time, with the deep passing game being dysfunctional, teams were crowding the box with more frequency as opposed to a steady diet of 2-high safeties in the previous season.
If he's not I am. Especially in preseason which gives time to pick up a decent #4 from the final cutdowns waiver wire. Same conundrum actually as "are you OK with the 3rd" QB, TE, WLB, SLB, NT, SS, FS? Get the idea? Kuhn should be available yet.So lacy gets hurt in preseason. Which is very possible... You comfortable with our current #3 and starks, or starks and a late round rookie, to ballance this offense all season???
So lacy gets hurt in preseason. Which is very possible... You comfortable with our current #3 and starks, or starks and a late round rookie, to ballance this offense all season???
We should have 3 good rbs imo. And we only have 2. We cant be banking so much on a guy who takes that much abuse! Stack it up and quit worrying imo.
Lacy is no more likely to get injured in preseason than anybody else. In fact, having suited up for 46 of 48 games, he's shown durability not evidenced by several other starters.So lacy gets hurt in preseason. Which is very possible... You comfortable with our current #3 and starks, or starks and a late round rookie, to ballance this offense all season???
We should have 3 good rbs imo. And we only have 2. We cant be banking so much on a guy who takes that much abuse! Stack it up and quit worrying imo.
Rb is a different than most positions. They take a lot of abuse. Get injured often, and arent as effective banged up either.Lacy is no more likely to get injured in preseason than anybody else. In fact, having suited up for 46 of 48 games, he's shown durability not evidenced by several other starters.
You just can't go 3 deep with guys you're comfortable with as starters at any position, and certainly not when there are other more immediate concerns that need to be addressed. There's just not enough cap and draft picks to do what you want. I could see going as high as the 4th. round for a RB, but that's as far as I'd go.