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Roger Waters Tour !!!

Discussion in 'The Atrium' started by WinnipegPackFan, Feb 16, 2007.

  1. WinnipegPackFan

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    I have probably now been to well over 50 major concerts in my life including Bowie, The Stones, The Who, Alice Cooper etc but now it was just announced that Roger Waters is coming here in June and the final half of the concert is just "Dark Side of the Moon". I have heard this is one of those rare shows in life that will just blow you away.

    Just wondering if anybody has seen Roger on this tour yet or is planning to go ( I hear he is down in Milwaukee on July 2cnd ) :thumbsup:

    Tour Dates: http://www.rogerwaters.org/tour/2007Nhemitinerary.html

    To get you in the mood: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPR-aNWIygI&mode=related&search=

    Cheers all !!!
     
  2. Zombieslayer

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    No, and I have no desire to see Waters. Waters was the lyricist of Floyd, and after he left, Floyd's lyrics were mediocre. He was not the best musician, and it's obvious that the songwriting talent is best done by Gilmour, Wright, and Mason when you compare the two albums after Waters to Waters' solo albums.

    Waters also is supposebly a big time a-hole. Gilmour tried to mend the fence and it didn't happen. It's a shame. I'd love to hear one more Pink Floyd album with the full band, but that won't happen.

    As for Syd, yeah, whatever. People who favor the Syd years are usually just pretentious dorks. Floyd's best albums were post-Syd - (in order by year) Meddle, Dark Side of the Moon, Wish You Were Here, and the Wall. Maybe Animals could go in there too.

    Well, all right. I'll admit it. If someone had tickets, I'd go. I'm just currently broke and need to rationalize why I won't go to the show. :kickcan:
     
  3. WinnipegPackFan

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    Zombieslayer,

    If I had a few extra Bucks I would fly you in for the show !!!
     
  4. hoos

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    I saw Roger last year on his Dark Side Tour in Chicago, and I seriously considered driving to Indianapolis the next night. Amazing show, and Roger still has it.

    As for being a big A-hole as you claim, the feud goes both ways and has softened quite a bit over the years. Roger is actually a lot more amenable to doing a tour than Dave at this point. THE FULL BAND played live 8 in london and they all have made comments that would leave hope for one last tour.

    Also, whether you like it or not, without Roger, Pink Floyd doesn't reach nearly as much fame. Gilmour has some of the cleanest guitar I've ever heard, but its Roger's lyrics and vision that made the band.

    That being said, I'd love to see Dave live also. Too bad they don't tour too often.
     
  5. cheesey

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    I didn't have a clue who the guy was when i first read this thread.
    Why does it seem that all the bands end up with fueds?
    These guys always start out as friends, then as soon as the money starts, WHAM!!! They all start hating each other. The Beatles, the Beach Boys, and so on. The Stones are the only ones i can think of that didn't implode.
     
  6. Zombieslayer

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    Think of it this way. A band is like a marriage. All of us know how hard a marriage can be with only two people. Now, imagine four or five people being married.
     
  7. Greg C.

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    Wrong. Almost all of Pink Floyd's greatest songs were written or co-written by Waters. Not just the lyrics. Read the credits.

    As hoos said, the feud goes both ways. Waters tends to keep to himself, and he can be very intense to work with, but from what I've heard he's basically a normal guy.

    I'm not one of those who favors the Syd years, but Syd was a unique talent, and it is understandable that many people would prefer his work to the band's later work. It was a different band, really. I think Waters, Gilmour, and the others would agree with this.

    I saw Roger Waters play at the Mecca in Milwaukee in 1987, and he was very good. He's not Pink Floyd, but Pink Floyd has been dead and buried since 1983 anyway, as far as I'm concerned.
     
  8. Zombieslayer

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    Heh. I love Floyd discussions. Yeah, Waters did get musical credit, but as a musician, he was decent, not great. Gilmour's one heck of a guitarist. Mason's a solid drummer. Wright's a solid keyboardist. I've heard from several sources that a lot of the bass tracks were actually played by Gilmour on the album and performed live by Waters.

    The thing about credits are they're not 100% accurate. Yngwie Malmsteen immediately comes to mind. He often would take credit for things his band members wrote so he wouldn't have to share royalties.

    The Gilmour vs Waters fight I won't get into because it's more a "he said, she said." I don't know either of them personally.

    I didn't mean to dog on Syd, by any means. He was what he was. I was just saying Floyd's best albums were post-Syd.
     
  9. Greg C.

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    I've read a lot about Floyd, but I never heard that Gilmour played a lot of the bass tracks. I suppose it's possible, but it's probably academic. If you've heard "Ummagumma" and seen "Pink Floyd at Pompeii" you know that Waters was a very good bass player.

    It is also possible that Waters took more songwriting credit than he should have. Because the band was made up of such good musicians, the songs must've gotten stronger and stronger as they worked on them in the studio. It's a tough call whether to give credit to the other musicians for the instrumental flourishes and the structural changes they suggest.

    I think the reason for Waters' solo albums being weaker is that he just wasn't writing at as high a level as he was with Floyd. Every musician runs out of good songs sooner or later. Also, when a musician doesn't have a good band to push him, the material tends to be less inspired.

    I do agree with you that Gilmour was the most talented musician in the band. After all these years, he is still my favorite rock guitarist. I think it was Nick Mason who referred to him as "the master of melody." But the other three guys were very, very good as well. And so was Syd, for that matter.
     
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    Pink Floyd to play Live Earth?

    http://www.outsidethewall.net/rogerwaters2006.html

    Roger completes a series of interviews

    In the interviews, he again expresses his wholehearted willingness to perform again with his ex-Pink Floyd buddies should circumstances permit... Roger tells the Washington Times that "I would do something else (like Live 8) in a heartbeat -- but if it was for anything more than a few songs, then I think there would be difficulties." He added: "I felt it was very important for me to do Live 8, and I thought it was great to get onstage with the other three guys. I had nothing but positive feelings about that." Having clearly spent much time thinking about the conflicts within the band which lead to the split in the mid-eighties, Roger admitted that "I don't think any of us came out of the years from 1985 with any credit, really. It was a bad, negative time, really. And I regret my part in that negativity. "I was actually more attached to the philosophy and politics of Pink Floyd than the others were -- certainly more so than David was. In a
    way, whatever I did I did in a way to protect the integrity of what I saw as being important about the work that the four of us did together.

    "I realize now that move was doomed to failure ... and why should I have imposed my feelings about the work and what it was worth on the others if they didn't feel the same? I was wrong
    in attempting to do that."

    In a telephone interview with Peruvian media, the Live 8 show inspired a question about the upcoming Live Earth concert on July 7th. Whilst there have been many rumours of acts that will be involved in the shows worldwide, the confirmed artists have hardly inspired music fans.

    In the interview, Roger is asked if it were possible that Pink Floyd could reunite again for the Live Earth show. He said: "I'm up for it if David Gilmour will agree to play with me. I will honestly join him, if he agrees... I've got no problem with it, in fact, I would love it."

    Elsewhere, on the andina website he is asked what made him decide to perform in Peru. "When they asked me about [playing in] Peru, I said that it would be a good idea. I knew of the Inca culture, as they taught us about it in school. A lot of people have also said that I must go to Machu Picchu, although I don't believe we'll have time on this visit."

    They asked him how it felt to sing with Pink Floyd at Live 8 after so much time had passed. "Wonderful, I enjoyed every moment on the stage. I felt the wave of expectation of the public present and of the people who saw us on television. The emotion of the public to see us - the four of us together again - could be felt. Personally, I felt that it helped my perception with people, because at the time at which we separated, they saw me as the bad one of the group. But it was not thus, we separated because things happened."

    And again, the suggestion of Pink Floyd appearing at the Live Earth concert came up: "I do not have any problem with that. Let us hope that they don't either. If they ask me, I will be there."

    Finally, in an article in the Mexican El Norte newspaper, Waters talks at length of how his treatment of Dark Side of the Moon was designed to impress in a visual, as well as musical, manner. “The visual part is more powerful [than earlier tours]; it is very beautiful. All the show is monochrome, the idea is based on the six colours of the rainbow, and I said "hey - we didn't use a colour for each song". So the starting point, the simplest thing that we could make, was to show the moon on the screen and have changing colours”.

    He noted that he holds rich memories from Mexico, when he was there in 2002.

    “Fans did something amazing the last time that I was there. As an encore I played 'Flickering Flame', and something happened that I'd never seen before: 30 thousand people igniting and extinguishing its lighters to the sound of a song that they'd never heard.

    “That was fabulous, absolutely fabulous. I have never seen it in any other city of the world. I hope that they do it again”, he said, smiling.

    On the subject of the reunion in 2005, he reflects on the importance of the "symbiosis between the four band members, in which I call the golden years of the band, all we contributed, the combination of the four separated talents was something very very special”.

    However, he has thought about the possible obsticle to another reunion. “The problem is this one: during 20 years [Pink Floyd] has been [David Gilmour's] baby, for that reason he is so obstinate. If we reunited for any reason, I would be delighted to do it. Not a single show, but a series of events that we could do. It would be very satisfactory for me... but I do not believe that Dave wants to do it.”
     
  11. Zombieslayer

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    My God. I was thinking of 20 years being Dave's baby, and I'm realizing how old I am. I remember like it was yesterday Pink Floyd breaking up.
     
  12. Greg C.

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    Thanks for the interview clips, hoos. I had the same thought as Zombieslayer. Twenty years? No way! But it's true.

    By the way, there is a very good documentary out there about the making of "Dark Side of the Moon." It was made in 2003, and it features interviews with all four band members. They explain how they came up with the ideas and how they made the sounds. They even have Alan Parsons at a mixing board demonstrating how the music sounds with and without various effects.

    I'm lucky that a video store near me has a copy. It's well worth checking out for any Floyd fan.
     

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