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Rodgers vs Cutler by the numbers

Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by wizard 87, Apr 3, 2009.

  1. wizard 87

    wizard 87 Old Enough To Know Better

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    2008 Performance
    Category - Rodgers/Cutler

    attempts - 536/616
    completions - 341/384
    comp. % - 63.6%/62.3%
    total yards - 4038/4526
    yds/att. - 7.5/7.3
    touchdowns - 28/25
    interceptions - 13/18
    comp. for 1sts - 182/222
    sacks - 34/11
    sack yds - 231/69
    passer rating - 93.8/86.0
    carries - 56/57
    rush yds - 207/200

    Cutlers biggest advantage - avoiding sacks
    Rodgers biggest advantage - avoiding interceptions.
    Could be that the two go hand in hand. To avoid a sack, Cutler makes a risky throw. To avoid the risk of an interception, Rodgers takes sacks.

    Beyond that, not a lot of difference between the two in statistical performance.
     
  2. PackersRS

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    Great post
    About the sacks: Clady's great play and Clifton's terrible, terrible play influenced A LOT.

    Cutler outplaying Rodgers simply won't happen. He doesn't have the weapons to do so. And I think Rodgers is a better QB. But that's not what worries me. They have a pretty good rush attack. That could be countered stacking the box, just like with the vikes. But with Cutler, and a fast guy like Hester, their passing game is an OPTION, and that's what worries me. If we fix the front seven, though, we will be fine.
     
  3. Aaron rodgers is god

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    agreed except one thing and to add to you. One devin hester wont be that big of a threat he will be a threat but its not like the switch of the qb and he is going to get 1k500 yards and 16 tds... I mean Kyler orton was pretty good last year im not going to lie, the thing is he had no Wr's and all he could throw to were his te's and running backs. Orton is an alright qb not bad but not great. so dont expect top leaderboard numbers from devin hester. second Cutler will not have the same o line as last year so he will get sacked more bringing down his numbers i mean even a medokere qb with great protection can do great, like Kery collins. That's why some of the best qb's have great years because they dont get sacked. (drew brees 13) (Peyton 14) (romo 20) ( donvan 23) (rivers 25) (warner 26) (Eli 27) the only person that had the most sacks but still did well was cassel but he still had his 16-0 team.... so when cutler comes to the bears he will haver more pressure put on him more sacks ending drives and worse wide recievers resulting in a medokere season
     
  4. PackersRS

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    I totally agree with you on devin hester. There's a reason this guy wasn't a wr on college, and why he wasn't drafted in the first round: he has no hands. But my point is that whith his speed and with Cutler's arm, we cannot put 8 man in the box all the time, because hester will get separation from our dbs and Cutler will e able to deliver, something Orton could not do.
     
  5. Jess

    Jess Movement!

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    I don't really understand the whole Rodgers/Cutler comparison. I'd say it's as close to a wash as it can be. Do we all just pride ourselves on having the best QB in the division, because that's been the way it's been for the last 20 or so years or something? I just think the team around Cutler is better. I think he has the better opportunity to win now. That team won 9 games last year with Kyle freaking Orton. And Cutler is a hop, skip, and a jump better than Orton.
     
  6. GJ85

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    Rodgers is a beast and he is gonna show it again this year
     
  7. wizard 87

    wizard 87 Old Enough To Know Better

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    To add to this, some effectiveness stats:
    Sacks are included as attempts, sack yards are included as negative passing yards.

    I added the league MVP (Manning) and Orton to compare, and first half '08, last half '08 for Rodgers to show his change over the season:

    YPA:
    2008 Manning - 6.88
    2008 Rodgers - 6.68
    2008 Orton - 5.72
    2008 Cutler - 7.11
    2007 Cutler - 6.77
    2006 Cutler - 6.11
    2008a ARod - 6.73
    2008b ARod - 6.63

    TDPA (%):
    2008 Manning - 4.7
    2008 Rodgers - 4.9
    2008 Orton - 3.7
    2008 Cutler - 4.0
    2007 Cutler - 4.0
    2006 Cutler - 6.0
    2008a ARod - 4.7
    2008b ARod - 5.2

    IntPA (%):
    2008 Manning - 2.1
    2008 Rodgers - 2.3
    2008 Orton - 2.4
    2008 Cutler - 2.9
    2007 Cutler - 2.8
    2006 Cutler - 3.3
    2008a ARod - 1.8
    2008b ARod - 2.7

    SackPA (%):
    2008 Manning - 2.5
    2008 Rodgers - 6.0
    2008 Orton - 5.5
    2008 Cutler - 1.8
    2007 Cutler - 5.5
    2006 Cutler - 8.7
    2008a ARod - 6.1
    2008b ARod - 5.8

    AdjComp%:
    2008 Manning - 65.2
    2008 Rodgers - 59.8
    2008 Orton - 55.3
    2008 Cutler - 61.2
    2007 Cutler - 60.1
    2006 Cutler - 54.0
    2008a ARod - 59.9
    2008b ARod - 59.8

    I don't think you're gonna see the Bears score at an increased rate, Cutler really isn't any better at throwing TD's than Orton is, however he can move the ball a little better, but throws more int's and takes a lot less sacks.

    You can see AR took less sacks per attempt (even losing Taush) in the second half of the year, and both his TD rate and int rate went up, while he still completed roughly the same % of his dropbacks, and his YPA declined slightly.
     
  8. lambeauharrier

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    some good stats there Wiz ;)
     
  9. Killazach

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    I think you guys are forgetting that the broncos had no threat or even at a point a running back..... When you have no threat at RB (like the bears do and packers), the pressure is all on the QB and the defense know where the ball is going.
     
  10. wizard 87

    wizard 87 Old Enough To Know Better

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    Yet Denver averaged 116 yards rushing per game, while the Packers averaged 112.
    Denver averaged 4.8yds/carry, the Packers averaged 4.1.

    Which QB really had the support of a better running game???
     
  11. wizard 87

    wizard 87 Old Enough To Know Better

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    Now lets look at another comparison, Rodgers first year as a starter in 2008 to Cutler's first full year as a starter in 2007. Keep in mind that Cutler started the last 5 games of 2006, so 2007 includes his 6th through 21st starts as a pro:

    Category - Rodgers'08/Cutler '07

    attempts - 536/467
    completions - 341/297
    comp. % - 63.6%/63.6
    total yards - 4038/3497
    yds/att. - 7.5/7.5
    touchdowns - 28/20
    interceptions - 13/14
    sacks - 34/27
    sack yds - 231/153
    passer rating - 93.8/88.1
    carries - 56/44
    rush yds - 207/205

    Things become even closer, including sacks and interceptions.
     
  12. CaptainD

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    Denver rushed for 1862 yards 116.38 avg
    bears rushed for 1673 yards 104.56 avg


    denver 12th ranked rushing team
    bears 24th ranked rushing team

    so in fact denver had a better rushing team then the bears....he's going to get better there how ??? Throwing to who ????
     
  13. NormalSizedMidget

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    Didn't anyone else notice that Rodgers was obviously under far more pressure than Cutler, if you're looking at those sack numbers, yet almost all of his stats except total yards are better. And they aren't going to put Cutler on a rollout every play like in Denver, at least I don't think they are.
     
  14. Killazach

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    The Denver's offensive line gave their rushers great numbers.... not the running backs.....
     

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