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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Voyageur" data-source="post: 946597" data-attributes="member: 17953">I keep asking myself why people never thought of Dan Marino, with Miami, as a loser because he didn't win a championship. Then there's Jim Kelly, in Buffalo. Never got the big one either. How about Fran Tarkenton, with the Vikings? He never won one. He and Kelly 4 time losers? There are a lot more. It doesn't invalidate who they were as players, and it doesn't prove they weren't capable of winning it. It just means their team didn't win it when they played. Nothing has been lessened by it. They were winners. By the way. All of the above are in the Hall of Fame. The following players have been the team's QBs when they won a Super Bowl, and are not in the HOF. In most cases, it's very understandable. They weren't that good, so their winning it doesn't validate their "greatness" any more than not winning it wouldn't.Jim Plunkett won two Lombardis. Yet, he's not in the HOF. Some argue he should be because of this, but in the end, the total package isn't there. He will eventually get in. But, Mark Rypien, and Dilfer, Foles, etc.... All won the big one, and not in the HOF.Personally, I don't think the number of Lombardis your team has won tells us too much about how good of a QB you really have been.</blockquote>

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