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<blockquote data-quote="TJV" data-source="post: 390865" data-attributes="member: 4300"><p><span style="color: #000000">Comparing Starr to modern day QBs is just one example of why it’s difficult to compare players from different eras. The biggest differences with regard to INT percentage IMO is when Starr played, both QBs and receivers got legally beat up play after play. And that was the pre-west coast offense era in which the passing game was not used as a substitute for running by using shorter, safer passes. That’s a stark contrast to what goes on today. Even so, look at how Starr took care of the ball in the most important games. After losing the first playoff game in which he appeared, the Starr QB’d (and Lombardi coached of course) Packers were 9-0 in playoff games. In the playoffs, Starr threw 3 INTs in 213 attempts for an INT rate of 1.41% and a 104.8 playoff passer rating. Favre threw 30 INTs in 791 attempts for a rate of 3.79% and an 86.3 playoff passer rating and was 13-11 in the playoffs. Of course football is a team game but Favre saved some of his most foolishly careless passes for the playoffs. Don’t get me wrong, Favre was a very exciting player and of course a certain HOFer. But he could have been much better IMO if he would have just taken better care of the ball throughout his career and particularly in the playoffs. </span></p><p></p><p> H<span style="color: #000000">ere’s my theory on why Favre was so careless with the ball: In spite of the myths perpetrated by his adoring fans and advanced by Favre himself, he became a selfish player. It was all about him; at some point he became a “me” guy, not a “team” guy. For example, on his last play in his last playoff game all he had to do was make a few yards rushing and go out of bounds to give his team a chance at a FG which would have sent his team to the Super Bowl. But what glory is there in that? Instead he threw an unnecessarily dangerous pass and the rest is history. In January of 2004 at Philadelphia instead of taking a sack or throwing the ball away he threw up an unnecessarily dangerous INT in overtime that resembled a punt more than a pass and the rest is history. In his last NFC championship game at Lambeau Field on a play in which Ryan Grant was wide open right in front of him, he threw an unnecessarily dangerous pass and the rest is history. IMO it is no coincidence all of that happened after Favre was out from under Holmgren’s disciplining presence: The absence of Holmgren allowed Favre's selfishness to flourish.</span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #000000">Look at his annual dance with retirement. Some Packers fans don’t realize that nonsense began in the <a href="http://www.jsonline.com/sports/99934284.html" target="_blank">summer of 2002</a>, </span><span style="color: #000000">a couple of years before Thompson became GM. Why did Favre do it if not for the attention? It looked many times like he wanted to be begged to return, consider for a moment his motivation for that. Of course Favre isn’t the only one at fault for this; he’s just mostly responsible. Some reading this post were among Packers fans who proclaimed ‘Favre is the Green Bay Packers’ or similar sentiments which ignored the great and long history of the Packers. And IMO one of Sherman’s great failings as HC was how he catered to Favre’s selfishness, allowing him to skip off-season sessions altogether which would have allowed him to get up to speed with newcomers, even if he didn’t participate in all the drills. Even worse, Sherman permitted him to have a separate locker/dressing area apart from his teammates. What message did that send to Favre? </span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #000000">The 2007 regular season was an example of what could have been for Favre and the Packers after Holmgren left. How many championships would the Packers have challenged for with <em>that</em> Favre at QB in the playoffs? But even then for some reason toward the end of his career, he just couldn’t do it for an entire season and post season. IMO the main reason was he just couldn’t resist the selfish instincts that were so ingrained for so long. <em>He</em> had to make the spectacular play because IMO he had long ago become a “me” guy and sadly he remains so today. </span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TJV, post: 390865, member: 4300"] [COLOR=#000000]Comparing Starr to modern day QBs is just one example of why it’s difficult to compare players from different eras. The biggest differences with regard to INT percentage IMO is when Starr played, both QBs and receivers got legally beat up play after play. And that was the pre-west coast offense era in which the passing game was not used as a substitute for running by using shorter, safer passes. That’s a stark contrast to what goes on today. Even so, look at how Starr took care of the ball in the most important games. After losing the first playoff game in which he appeared, the Starr QB’d (and Lombardi coached of course) Packers were 9-0 in playoff games. In the playoffs, Starr threw 3 INTs in 213 attempts for an INT rate of 1.41% and a 104.8 playoff passer rating. Favre threw 30 INTs in 791 attempts for a rate of 3.79% and an 86.3 playoff passer rating and was 13-11 in the playoffs. Of course football is a team game but Favre saved some of his most foolishly careless passes for the playoffs. Don’t get me wrong, Favre was a very exciting player and of course a certain HOFer. But he could have been much better IMO if he would have just taken better care of the ball throughout his career and particularly in the playoffs. [/COLOR] H[COLOR=#000000]ere’s my theory on why Favre was so careless with the ball: In spite of the myths perpetrated by his adoring fans and advanced by Favre himself, he became a selfish player. It was all about him; at some point he became a “me” guy, not a “team” guy. For example, on his last play in his last playoff game all he had to do was make a few yards rushing and go out of bounds to give his team a chance at a FG which would have sent his team to the Super Bowl. But what glory is there in that? Instead he threw an unnecessarily dangerous pass and the rest is history. In January of 2004 at Philadelphia instead of taking a sack or throwing the ball away he threw up an unnecessarily dangerous INT in overtime that resembled a punt more than a pass and the rest is history. In his last NFC championship game at Lambeau Field on a play in which Ryan Grant was wide open right in front of him, he threw an unnecessarily dangerous pass and the rest is history. IMO it is no coincidence all of that happened after Favre was out from under Holmgren’s disciplining presence: The absence of Holmgren allowed Favre's selfishness to flourish.[/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000]Look at his annual dance with retirement. Some Packers fans don’t realize that nonsense began in the [URL='http://www.jsonline.com/sports/99934284.html']summer of 2002[/URL], [/COLOR][COLOR=#000000]a couple of years before Thompson became GM. Why did Favre do it if not for the attention? It looked many times like he wanted to be begged to return, consider for a moment his motivation for that. Of course Favre isn’t the only one at fault for this; he’s just mostly responsible. Some reading this post were among Packers fans who proclaimed ‘Favre is the Green Bay Packers’ or similar sentiments which ignored the great and long history of the Packers. And IMO one of Sherman’s great failings as HC was how he catered to Favre’s selfishness, allowing him to skip off-season sessions altogether which would have allowed him to get up to speed with newcomers, even if he didn’t participate in all the drills. Even worse, Sherman permitted him to have a separate locker/dressing area apart from his teammates. What message did that send to Favre? [/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000]The 2007 regular season was an example of what could have been for Favre and the Packers after Holmgren left. How many championships would the Packers have challenged for with [I]that[/I] Favre at QB in the playoffs? But even then for some reason toward the end of his career, he just couldn’t do it for an entire season and post season. IMO the main reason was he just couldn’t resist the selfish instincts that were so ingrained for so long. [I]He[/I] had to make the spectacular play because IMO he had long ago become a “me” guy and sadly he remains so today. [/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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