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Gotta feel bad for Jets fans (or not). The GM finally put a team together that was 1) home grown and 2) loaded with talent just about everywhere but QB. Then they bring Rodgers in and allow him to dictate additional personnel moves and "infect" the team. That was dumb.
For some reason, I've always liked the Jets fan base, so yeah....I do feel kinda badly for them. They were in the wilderness for decades; other than the one Super Bowl, they've always been a mediocre team. Made it as far as the conference championship a couple of times, but an overall winning percentage of only .440.

And over the last several years, they finally put together a team that had everything they needed but a quarterback. So we sent them Rodgers, and in 2 years he basically destroyed the franchise. He probably set them back a couple of years, and took them right out of their window.

That's got to be just heartbreaking.

I wonder if the achilles surgery hasn't affected him this year. Especially after seeing the way Cousins has been playing lately. He hasn't seemed to be throwing poorly this year, but not up to par.

I don't think there's any question of it. I've watched most of his games this year, and he's a very different player. His footwork is stiffer, he doesn't step up into throws as well, and there are some throws he just can't make at all - he can't push off on that leg as well, and he isn't as nimble in the pocket as he used to.

He seems a little slow in changing directions, and when the only way out of a collapsing pocket requires his first step to be a strong push-off with his left foot (and especially a change of direction at the same time), I've actually seen him stand there and simply take the sack - it's like he knows his tendon can't do that, so he doesn't even risk it.

It's pretty rare for any athlete to completely recover from an Achilles to 100% of their previous level, especially at his age. And it usually takes over a year to recover to whatever level you eventually reach.

There's almost always going to be some permanent loss of function, because an entire section of the tendon has been changed into scar tissue. The tendon will be stiffer, and somewhat weaker. At his age, I just don't think he's ever going to really get back to his old form.
 

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For some reason, I've always liked the Jets fan base, so yeah....I do feel kinda badly for them. They were in the wilderness for decades; other than the one Super Bowl, they've always been a mediocre team. Made it as far as the conference championship a couple of times, but an overall winning percentage of only .440.

And over the last several years, they finally put together a team that had everything they needed but a quarterback. So we sent them Rodgers, and in 2 years he basically destroyed the franchise. He probably set them back a couple of years, and took them right out of their window.

That's got to be just heartbreaking.



I don't think there's any question of it. I've watched most of his games this year, and he's a very different player. His footwork is stiffer, he doesn't step up into throws as well, and there are some throws he just can't make at all - he can't push off on that leg as well, and he isn't as nimble in the pocket as he used to.

He seems a little slow in changing directions, and when the only way out of a collapsing pocket requires his first step to be a strong push-off with his left foot (and especially a change of direction at the same time), I've actually seen him stand there and simply take the sack - it's like he knows his tendon can't do that, so he doesn't even risk it.

It's pretty rare for any athlete to completely recover from an Achilles to 100% of their previous level, especially at his age. And it usually takes over a year to recover to whatever level you eventually reach.

There's almost always going to be some permanent loss of function, because an entire section of the tendon has been changed into scar tissue. The tendon will be stiffer, and somewhat weaker. At his age, I just don't think he's ever going to really get back to his old form.
Well, today their defense did not do much to help them avoid losing. There is a malaise on that team that has contracted losing. Right now the Jets and Bears need to play each other. Misery loves company.
 

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Dallas - Cleveland - Carolina - Giants all please step right up for the primadonna fest.

Dallas signed Dak, Cleveland has that Watson albatross to deal with. Young has been playing better so, not sure I see Carolina as an option. Giants.. maybe. But same market so depends on how ruffled Rodger's feathers have been by the media.

Maybe Colts? Vikings (again). Just seems like the 3 most likely options are

1. Retirement.
2. Wait and see who needs someone
3. Jets

Other than the Colts/Vikings, everyone else that needs a QB sucks enough that they probably will reach for a QB in round 1 or suck to where Rodgers wouldn't want to go there.
 

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Dallas signed Dak, Cleveland has that Watson albatross to deal with. Young has been playing better so, not sure I see Carolina as an option. Giants.. maybe. But same market so depends on how ruffled Rodger's feathers have been by the media.

Maybe Colts? Vikings (again). Just seems like the 3 most likely options are

1. Retirement.
2. Wait and see who needs someone
3. Jets

Other than the Colts/Vikings, everyone else that needs a QB sucks enough that they probably will reach for a QB in round 1 or suck to where Rodgers wouldn't want to go there.
You make a good case for why Rodgers will either stay with the Jets or retire. This year with the Jets is even worse than his last year in GB. The guy is just bad mojo for a team now.
 

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And over the last several years, they finally put together a team that had everything they needed but a quarterback. So we sent them Rodgers, and in 2 years he basically destroyed the franchise. He probably set them back a couple of years, and took them right out of their window.
That is such an overstatement imho. Their defense kept them in all those games and they all of sudden didn't have the same D. Not even close. And Rodgers played one snap for them last year.
 

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That is such an overstatement imho. Their defense kept them in all those games and they all of sudden didn't have the same D. Not even close. And Rodgers played one snap for them last year.
When Rodgers arrived, the Jets were solid on offense and defense. Of course he didn't play last year, but I think the overall talent level of the team is solid, and he got his favorite receivers in Lazard and then Adams.

It's a little mind-boggling that a team with that kind of roster finds itself at 3-10. For a number of reasons, seems like Rodgers should move on. The Jets will have a new HC and GM after this season. They don't need to be bothered with Rodgers playing GM wannabe.
 
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When Rodgers arrived, the Jets were solid on offense and defense. Of course he didn't play last year, but I think the overall talent level of the team is solid, and he got his favorite receivers in Lazard and then Adams.

It's a little mind-boggling that a team with that kind of roster funds itself at 3-10. For a number of reasons, seems like Rodgers should move on. The Jets will have a new HC and GM after this season. They don't need to be bothered with Rodgers GM fantasy.
Supposedly the O arrived when Rodgers came. They had not shown it on the field. They were getting beat like 7 to 3 the years before. And then Rodgers got hurt and the D fizzled.
 

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Supposedly the O arrived when Rodgers came. They had not shown it on the field. They were getting beat like 7 to 3 the years before. And then Rodgers got hurt and the D fizzled.
Yeah it was just a horror story with plenty of blame to go around. Woody's decision to fire Saleh after five games was stupid. Saleh may have been in over his head at HC, but I think the players liked him.
 

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I wonder if the achilles surgery hasn't affected him this year. Especially after seeing the way Cousins has been playing lately. He hasn't seemed to be throwing poorly this year, but not up to par. I think if he isn't on the Jets; there will be another team that will need a QB if only for the interim if he really wants to play. I'm not going to try and figure out which teams as I am only concerned with The Packers this year right now.
How 'bout them Vikings? Complete the Favre/Rodgers trifecta.
 

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Just don't know why the vikes would not keep Darnold.
Darnold has thrown for 28 TD's, and only 2 games with under a 100 QBR, and they won both games. With Darnold and McCarthy, I don't understand why people say the Vikings are in play for Rodgers... well actually I do... it's because Favre did, and that's the only reason.
 

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I was really just joking about that idea with the Favre/Rodgers paths so far.
I know Suds, but hey, who knows? Favre still had a lot in the tank when he landed to MN. If it hadn't been for one of his signature dumb INTs, the queens would have played Indy in the SB instead of the Saints.

I don't think Rodgers has what it takes anymore to lead a team in the regular season much less the playoffs. That's not sour grapes. Rodgers gave us a lot of great football and a Lombardi. But time catches up with all of us, and I think it's Rodgers' time to say goodbye to the NFL.
 

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Darnold has thrown for 28 TD's, and only 2 games with under a 100 QBR, and they won both games. With Darnold and McCarthy, I don't understand why people say the Vikings are in play for Rodgers... well actually I do... it's because Favre did, and that's the only reason.
Suds was joking about the Favre/Rodgers succession plan in MN. Favre was playing great football when he went to MN. Rodgers is pretty much done. And yeah, Darnold has found his home in MN. They would be crazy to change.
 

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That is such an overstatement imho. Their defense kept them in all those games and they all of sudden didn't have the same D. Not even close. And Rodgers played one snap for them last year.
Zach Wilson went 5-7 last season. With Rodgers as the QB this season, the Jets have gone 3-10 with a better team than in 2023.

Leadership matters.

I dont think there is any way he is brought back or that any team would want him. He will retire. But then again, there may be a GM out there who was a big fan and still believes in him. I have seen worse GM moves.
 

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Suds was joking about the Favre/Rodgers succession plan in MN. Favre was playing great football when he went to MN. Rodgers is pretty much done. And yeah, Darnold has found his home in MN. They would be crazy to change.

And speaking of Darnold, remember - he was the #3 overall pick for the Jets 6 years ago. I wouldn't be shocked if he ends up back in New York next season. He's a free agent in the spring, and he'd reportedly be looking at somewhere in the mid-20s; $25 milion give or take 5 or so. Sources say the Vikings haven't even discussed extending him, which makes sense because they have their #10 overall pick from last year recovering from knee surgery.

It would make sense for the Jets to give him a long, hard look. Whether he would be interested in New York is another matter. The Jets are the Chicago Bears of the AFC, and he already served a 3-year sentence in their crazy organization. He may not want anything to do with that dysfunctionality again, and who could blame him? The way he's played this season, he's likely to be a pretty attractive free agent, and he may have some really good options.

There's some indication that Stafford wants out of LA, and that would be a much more attractive landing spot for Darnold than the Jets, or most of the other teams who'll be shopping for a quarterback come spring. The guy's going to be in a really good position for the next phase of his career. And it would be ironic to see him back in New York for the sequel.
 

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And speaking of Darnold, remember - he was the #3 overall pick for the Jets 6 years ago. I wouldn't be shocked if he ends up back in New York next season. He's a free agent in the spring, and he'd reportedly be looking at somewhere in the mid-20s; $25 milion give or take 5 or so. Sources say the Vikings haven't even discussed extending him, which makes sense because they have their #10 overall pick from last year recovering from knee surgery.

It would make sense for the Jets to give him a long, hard look. Whether he would be interested in New York is another matter. The Jets are the Chicago Bears of the AFC, and he already served a 3-year sentence in their crazy organization. He may not want anything to do with that dysfunctionality again, and who could blame him? The way he's played this season, he's likely to be a pretty attractive free agent, and he may have some really good options.

There's some indication that Stafford wants out of LA, and that would be a much more attractive landing spot for Darnold than the Jets, or most of the other teams who'll be shopping for a quarterback come spring. The guy's going to be in a really good position for the next phase of his career. And it would be ironic to see him back in New York for the sequel.
We all keep waiting for Darnold to revert to form, and he won't do it.....

Interesting stuff. I would think if the money is right, he'd rather stay in MN, and they'd rather keep him. McCarthy can sit behind him and learn for another 2-3 years. That's been a pretty good formula in GB.

He'd be nuts to go back to the Jets, regardless of the deal. He's already on a winning team. I hate to say this, but the queens are good. It's advantageous for Darnold and the queens to stay together. What will be interesting is the $$$. He's played one great year out of six. And some team will drop $40 mil plus/year in front of him. If I were Darnold, I'd follow the money, as long as it doesn't lead to the Jets. Although if they offer him a boatload of guaranteed money, why not?
 

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We all keep waiting for Darnold to revert to form, and he won't do it.....

Interesting stuff. I would think if the money is right, he'd rather stay in MN, and they'd rather keep him. McCarthy can sit behind him and learn for another 2-3 years. That's been a pretty good formula in GB.

He'd be nuts to go back to the Jets, regardless of the deal. He's already on a winning team. I hate to say this, but the queens are good. It's advantageous for Darnold and the queens to stay together. What will be interesting is the $$$. He's played one great year out of six. And some team will drop $40 mil plus/year in front of him. If I were Darnold, I'd follow the money, as long as it doesn't lead to the Jets. Although if they offer him a boatload of guaranteed money, why not?
Darnold is also playing for a much better team. He never had the receiving corps or the offensive line in NY he has now. Nor did he have the OC. The new home is suiting him well.
 

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Darnold is also playing for a much better team. He never had the receiving corps or the offensive line in NY he has now. Nor did he have the OC. The new home is suiting him well.
Exactly. It's the same reason FAs McKinney, Barkley and Jacobs are doing better with their new teams - better players around them, different coaching style, fewer distractions.
 
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When Brady went to Tampa, they were the #3 rated Offense in the NFL the prior year. That with a QB throwing
30 INT! Then they invest in one of the best OL in college in Tristan Wirfs to bolster it and add Brady. He really fell into an ideal setup and they ranked #3 again in 2020, but increased the points to 31 per game. For all the credit Brady got, it was just as much the Tampa D that made the leap. Hiring Todd Bowles in 2019 and spending 5 selections at LB, CB, CB, S, DE by the opening of RD4 and led by Devin White. Tampa D scoring went from bottom 5 in the league for several years prior to top 8 in 2020. That’s a massive leap in D.

Looking at Jets. Their O was ranked 32,28,29th before Rodgers arrived. With a D ranked 32,32,4th. No 1 player or OC is going to fix that in 1 year. It often is year 2-3 when the DC or OC pop, such as in Ulbrich and Bowles. Then Rodgers comes in a blows an Achilles. Really taking the air out of a season that posted a respectable #12 ranked D (likely top 10 with Rodgers). Aaron really only needed to post about 24-25 points per game and 2023 would’ve been a Wildcard type contender. At least competitive.

It was really the Jets Defense that was the foundation of the Jets winning strategy. They went 4th,12th and are currently 19th. Had Rodgers joined in 2022 and been healthy? I think they make the playoffs. He would’ve only needed like 22 points per game to be over .500+. Once he got there in 2023 and the D backed up slightly he could’ve at least cracked .500+ until he blows his Achilles. It was always going to take a year of steam to get going imo but the injury just threw a wrench in plans. As we know, football has a lot to do with timing and momentum and they missed on both.
 
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All that said. IF Rodgers gets on a team that all they need is a QB? I still think he could make some noise. He’s not coming off injury anymore and he has appeal to draw a few athletes. He doesn’t have the luxury of time anymore. It’ll take 2-3 years to straighten that mess in NY.

Hate to say it. The only teams I can think of that would be a good fit is actually the Vikings and I dare say.. Seattle. Most good teams are pretty set at QB. I have no idea what the plans are in MN or Seattle at QB. I do think Seattle might be an option if Geno struggles any more at INT. Seattle would be at 9-4 with Rodgers.
 
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Sort of like a team giving a major contract to a guy who had 1/2 great year out of one? :)
Something like that, although Darnold has a slightly better resume than Love did when his contract was reworked.

Teams are so desperate for starting QBs that logic and common sense go out the window when these deals are done. And it's made worse by the fact that there is always a buyer. Look at the contract Trevor Lawrence got for 3 years of journeyman work - at best. The Jags preferred to pay him top $$$ to avoid having to find another QB.

It doesn't make sense, well not to me. So teams have to place a huge bet that recent performance is indicative of future play. So Love got a big payday - and Darnold will get one.
 

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