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<blockquote data-quote="weeds" data-source="post: 246324" data-attributes="member: 39"><p>Oddly, this topic isn't even discussed much in NE Wisconsin. </p><p></p><p>Once #4 is inducted into the NFL Hall of Fame, his name and number should go up on the ring of honor, but in my opinion, no retired jersey number. I've never been a fan of individual numbers on a jersey, so this one isn't just too hard for me to digest</p><p></p><p>To say that #4 single handedly revived an organization from the depth of despair and futility is laughable at best and a sad thought process at worst. Those of us who sat in Lambeau through the 70's and 80's witnessed first hand what despair and futility is all about. The end of the Dom Olejniczak team presidency and the entire term of Judge Parins presidency created a veritable wasteland in Green Bay. The ascension of Bob Harlan, the hiring of Ron Wolf and Wolf's hiring of Holmgren is what turned this franchise around. Granted, #4 played an integral part, all QB's do ... but were it not for Holmgren, #4 would have been teaching special ed (that's what he supposedly studied in college) in Mississippi. #4 put up BIG numbers, but ... remove Holmgren and Wolf from the equation and well, there would be no further discussion.</p><p></p><p>I don't want to take away from his accomplishments because they are substantial - and those numbers are Hall of Fame numbers ... but, the retired numbers in the north end zone were worn by men who lived and died Green Bay Packers, and Reggie White of course, made Green Bay a viable franchise - a bit off to the right, you'll find Ron Wolf's name ... and rightly so. This is the man that truly turned the organization around and then set it on it's ear, hiring Rhodes and then recommending that Sherman be given the GM role... still and the same, I recognize #4's desire to play and his right to do so if Zigy is willing to pay him that kind of money ... that doesn't mean however that we as Packers fans owe #4 anything beyond "Hey, thanks for '93 to '98" ... he, Longwell and Sharper all made conscious decisions to play for the hated enemy (take your pick.. Vikies, Boors or ***** - they're interchangeable) and all three talked **** after they left.</p><p></p><p>So... retired jersey number on #4?? No...I don't think so. Ring of Honor once he actually is inducted into the Hall? Sure.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="weeds, post: 246324, member: 39"] Oddly, this topic isn't even discussed much in NE Wisconsin. Once #4 is inducted into the NFL Hall of Fame, his name and number should go up on the ring of honor, but in my opinion, no retired jersey number. I've never been a fan of individual numbers on a jersey, so this one isn't just too hard for me to digest To say that #4 single handedly revived an organization from the depth of despair and futility is laughable at best and a sad thought process at worst. Those of us who sat in Lambeau through the 70's and 80's witnessed first hand what despair and futility is all about. The end of the Dom Olejniczak team presidency and the entire term of Judge Parins presidency created a veritable wasteland in Green Bay. The ascension of Bob Harlan, the hiring of Ron Wolf and Wolf's hiring of Holmgren is what turned this franchise around. Granted, #4 played an integral part, all QB's do ... but were it not for Holmgren, #4 would have been teaching special ed (that's what he supposedly studied in college) in Mississippi. #4 put up BIG numbers, but ... remove Holmgren and Wolf from the equation and well, there would be no further discussion. I don't want to take away from his accomplishments because they are substantial - and those numbers are Hall of Fame numbers ... but, the retired numbers in the north end zone were worn by men who lived and died Green Bay Packers, and Reggie White of course, made Green Bay a viable franchise - a bit off to the right, you'll find Ron Wolf's name ... and rightly so. This is the man that truly turned the organization around and then set it on it's ear, hiring Rhodes and then recommending that Sherman be given the GM role... still and the same, I recognize #4's desire to play and his right to do so if Zigy is willing to pay him that kind of money ... that doesn't mean however that we as Packers fans owe #4 anything beyond "Hey, thanks for '93 to '98" ... he, Longwell and Sharper all made conscious decisions to play for the hated enemy (take your pick.. Vikies, Boors or ***** - they're interchangeable) and all three talked **** after they left. So... retired jersey number on #4?? No...I don't think so. Ring of Honor once he actually is inducted into the Hall? Sure. [/QUOTE]
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