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Rant : Video Surveillance

Discussion in 'The Atrium' started by Zero2Cool, Jun 6, 2007.

  1. Zero2Cool

    Zero2Cool I own a website

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    Below is a recent story about a young woman was seen on video being forced into a vehicle. Source Link

    Maybe I'm still upset at the recent (bout an hour ago recent) news that my daughter in which I've been cleaning up my life the last four years so I could get some type of custody of her is being moved to Hawaii in six months. Maybe that's where this is coming from, I don't know. Regardless.

    What the **** is the point of having video camera's is no one is monitoring them? I'm really sick and tired of reading about we have this on tape and that on tape blah ******* blah! If not one person is even viewing them LIVE ... what is the point? If someone had been monitoring this camera MAYBE Kelsey would still be with us today. The chances are a helluva lot greater. Plus, imagine the jobs it would this would create. If we have the god damn technology why not use it CORRECTLY.

    This just really pisses me off. Kelsey had friends, a mother, a father and whole lot more and now she's gone because god forbid we have a increment of privacy invaded by someone watching a camera in a parking lot. I really feel this could have been prevented if someone was actually watching these camera's.

    It's just really ******* ignorant if you ask me. Yea we got it on tape so we MAYBE prosecute the stupid low life ******** who did this, but really is that making things better? NO! She's still gone.





    Anyhow I should stop before I get too wound out. It just pisses me off that we can do more, but we chose not to.
     
  2. longtimefan

    longtimefan Super Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

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    I agree, there should be someone viewing this stuff...They do it in all the casinos in Vegas and even have a few people watching same live cams..

    Not if if its people choose not to do anything, but maybe more of not enuff man power to do it..I dont know, but it does have to be fixed..

    Side note

    Years ago my wife ( now ex wife) worked at a bank, they were robbed, gun put right in to her face and the camera in the corner by the door was running..so they would catch the guy right??

    No tape in camera so no evidence of it
     
  3. Zero2Cool

    Zero2Cool I own a website

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    See not enough manpower to me is a poor excuse if thats their reasoning. We have thousands of homeless people all over the place. Hell, probably millions. It wouldn't be hard to train someone to sit and watch a camera properly. I dunno. I only see positives to it and no real negative.
     
  4. arrowgargantuan

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    thats gotta be up there with the worst camera footage i've ever seen.
     
  5. Pack93z

    Pack93z You retired too? .... Not me. I'm in my prime

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    I agree with footage like that... what is the sense of the camera at all... but additionally yes they should be manned, however I am sure they are looking at the cost in wages and benefits for someone to watch the tapes... not right but that is America today..

    If they find the guy... hang'em from the freaking lightpole in the parking lot... scumbag.
     
  6. longtimefan

    longtimefan Super Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

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    Zero makes good point, there is ALWAYS someone who can do it, but I am afraid Pack's statement is how it really is.

    And if that places reason is not enuff man power, then this video sort of says...

    Our pocket book is more important then a human life
     
  7. cheesey

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    It's sad but true. WHY have the cameras if you arn't gonna have someone actually watch them? But the even sadder truth is even if someone had been watching, chances are they wouldn't have seen it in time.
    What i mean is, usually the people getting the kind of job where they would watch that tape, they probably wouldn't have even realized anything was wrong. After watching hour after hour day after day, with nothing happening, this also probably would have slipped right by them.
    Maybe they don't have anyone watching "live", because they are afraid that if someone IS watching, and they don't catch something like that happening, that they would then be sued for missing it.
    I don't know......but it's sad that no one in the lot saw this happen where they could have stopped the scumbag.
    I can't even imagine the horror this poor young lady had to endure, and what her family is going through now.
    My heart goes out to them.
     
  8. Pack93z

    Pack93z You retired too? .... Not me. I'm in my prime

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    If this turns out to be the sick freak... I say make it swift and decisive and harsh.... this country has had enough of this type of crap. Shopping shouldn't be a threat... enough is enough.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19065065/

    Man arrested in death of teen
    26-year-old faces first-degree murder charge in death of Kelsey Smith
    The Associated Press
    Updated: 1:41 a.m. CT June 7, 2007
    OVERLAND PARK, Kan. - An Olathe man has been arrested in the abduction and death of 18-year-old Kelsey Smith, whose body was found Wednesday in a Missouri park.

    Overland Park Police Chief John Douglass identified the suspect as Edwin R. Hall, 26. He is expected to be charged Thursday morning with premeditated first-degree murder and aggravated kidnapping.

    Douglass said Hall was interviewed mid-afternoon Wednesday after police acted on a tip that matched Hall and a vehicle to surveillance video from the Target store parking lot in suburban Kansas City where Smith was abducted Saturday evening.

    "The arrest of Edwin Hall is the result of thousands of hours of investigation over the last four days. He is currently in custody in the Johnson County Jail awaiting formal charges, which we believe will be filed in the early morning."

    Smith's body was found about 1:30 p.m. across the state line near Grandview, Mo., about 20 miles east of the abduction site in Overland Park, Kan.

    Douglass declined to comment on circumstances of Hall's questioning or evidence in the case, but said police had located a vehicle that matches the description of one seen in surveillance video pulling into the Target parking lot about a minute after Smith parked there.

    He said Hall appeared to be the same person shown in the video walking into the Target soon after Smith entered the store.

    "I want to again express my condolences to the Smith family," Douglass said. "I realize that this is not the preferred conclusion. While we cannot give them their daughter back, we can at least give them justice."

    '25 years to life minimum sentence'
    Johnson County, Kan., prosecutor Phill Kline said charges would be filed Thursday morning.

    "Tomorrow morning the Johnson County district attorney's office will file premeditated first-degree murder and aggravated kidnapping charges against Edwin Hall, 26 years of age, with the disappearance and death of Kelsey Smith," Kline said. "This community has lost a vibrant and promising life and a family has suffered unimaginable tragedy."

    Kline said his office would ask the state to set bond at $5 million.

    "Mr. Hall faces 25 years to life minimum sentence on the premeditated murder charge, 147 months minimum sentence on the aggravated kidnapping charge. There is a distinct possibility of an amendment for more severe charges in the future."

    Kline declined to specify whether investigators had determined that Smith was killed in Kansas, where the murder charge was to be filed.

    "I'm not gonna get into the evidence, but we're very very comfortable with the charges," he said.

    Douglass said police had received more than 500 tips in the case and had questioned numerous people Wednesday, including Hall, who was arrested at the end of his interview.


    Cell phone traced
    Officers had been searching a lake area near Grandview since Tuesday after tracing signals from Smith's cell phone that were received within an hour after she disappeared. Investigators isolated two signals from an area about 20 miles east of the store parking lot where surveillance video showed Smith being shoved into her car Saturday night.

    "As I understand, she was found at a wooded area, but I can't say whether she was directly concealed by bushes," Douglass told reporters after her body was found Wednesday afternoon.

    Smith, who graduated from high school less than two weeks ago, left the Target store around 7:10 p.m. Saturday and put packages into her car when someone ran toward her, police said.

    More than 50 detectives and officers from the area and the FBI were involved in the case, and hundreds of volunteers combed the area around the department store in a desperate search.

    Before a memorial service Wednesday evening, Smith's father, Greg Smith, thanked the hundreds of volunteers and everyone else involved in the search for his daughter.

    "She could walk into a room full of strangers and walk out with a room full of friends," Smith told the gathering, fighting tears.

    "Her excitement and passion for life was unmatched," he said.

    "She lived more in 18 years than many people do with a great deal more time."
     
  9. cheesey

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    They should allow the family of the girl an hour alone with this scumbag in a locked room. Let her loved ones do to him what he did to her.
     
  10. longtimefan

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    that seems nice, but the pain for the guy would only last as long as it takes to heal..

    surgically place his manhood on his chin..
     
  11. cheesey

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    I think he's already a proven "********".
    How about letting them give him the once over 4 times a week for as long as he lives?
    I often think of what i would do to someone if they did that to one of my loved ones. The safest place for him would be in jail. Cause if he ever got out, I'd be waiting for him.
     
  12. Pack93z

    Pack93z You retired too? .... Not me. I'm in my prime

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    If someone ever hurt my little girl... whomever they are better hope I am never in reaching distance... cuz all 6'4" 285 lbs will be all over them... beating is not the word for it...
     
  13. cheesey

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    Thats the way i feel. I don't have your size (i'm only 5'8") but i'd use all i have to make the guy pay for it..........dearly!
    Like i said.........the safest place for him would be behind bars!
     
  14. Pack93z

    Pack93z You retired too? .... Not me. I'm in my prime

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    It is not the size of the man... it is the size of the fight in the man..... I agree with ya!
     
  15. cheesey

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    Thanks Pack93z!
    HOW TRUE!
    I'm usually a calm collective person, and very few have ever seen me lose my cool. The few times i have have NOT been pretty!
    (But i have to be pushed PRETTY far to get to that point!) :thumbsup:
     
  16. Pack93z

    Pack93z You retired too? .... Not me. I'm in my prime

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    Being a bigger guy is sometimes a curse... in the younger days I had guys just try to pick a fight because I was bigger.... I can honestly say I only really lost my cool one time... and yeah it wasn't pretty...

    I learned a lesson that day. Since that day I did whatever it took to keep my cool... growing out of the college days helped... gosh I am getting old that is like 15 years ago already :(
     
  17. cheesey

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    I understand what you mean!
    20 years ago i was working at guns shows all over the country. I would see this guy, he was HUGE! He had a shaved head, a fu-manchu mustache, and had more muscles then you could count. He looked MEAN!!!
    Well, i saw this guy many times, as our paths crossed at gun shows. Finally, the one day i had a table right next to his. So, i decided to try to strike up a conversation with him. As we talked, i found out he was from Wisconsin too! I told him how i thought he was scary looking. He started to laugh, and told me how he didn't go to bars anymore, cause everytime some guy would come up to him and would try to pick a fight. This guy was an ex-green beret, and a black belt in karate. So he never lost, but was honestly afraid he was gonna kill someone trying to defend himself.
    When women would come by our tables, they would just stare at him......then i would pipe up and say "Don't be impressed ladies, it's the SHIRT that makes him look good!" The guy would start laughing!
    Then on the last day of the show, he was sitting down and working on a gun. There was a young boy, maybe 10, just standing in the aisle and staring at him. The guy whispered to me, "Watch this!" And he just suddenly whipped his head up and LOOKED at the kid! The poor kid's eyes grew to twice their size, he pissed his pants and took off! The man looked at me and said "See what i mean?" I about fell on the floor laughing!
     

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