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What concerns me, and why I didn't look that close at him in the first place, is that he broke his wrist in December and then skipped the Combine workouts. At his Pro Day he was suffering a hamstring. He did lift at the Pro Day showing 13, which might indicate some residual wrist issues.The Packers absolutely have to add a prospect capable of excelling as a coverage linebacker. Joshua Perry or Jeremy Cash might fit that need.
There's been mention of a possible injury issue. Maybe he had a positive test in college. Or maybe he's an idiot in interviews and just not a guy anybody wants to be around. The story eventually leaks out.Did not get to watch last night but man a lot left in the board I would love to see us get Cash and either Scooby or Schobert. Can't believe Billings is still there I knew it was deep but man
I cannot share your enthusiasm for Perry. Here's an all-play tape from the Michigan St. game.
He plays smaller than his 254 lbs. in the run game. Lots of clean-up plays after somebody else makes initial contact or stretches the play to the sidelines. He plays heads-up high which is good for play awareness, but he gets pushed around a lot as a result.
The only time in the entire game he had to cover downfield, other than the perfunctory zone drop with the ball not thrown his, was the play at the 2:38 mark where he was late reacting to that 4.83 pro day FB release and got burned for a TD. On that play you see his 4.68 speed was not sufficient to make up for the poor awareness. This is precisely the kind of problem we'd like to see fixed.
I see a less hardnosed version of Ryan, but a guy with better play awareness than Ryan coming in. With Ryan's improvement from start to finish of the season, as you know I see more upside there. I don't think Perry would provide much of an upgrade, if any at all.
Perry doesn't excel at anything but is decent at stopping the run, rushing the passer and dropping into the coverage.
The Packers absolutely have to add a prospect capable of excelling as a coverage linebacker. Joshua Perry or Jeremy Cash might fit that need.
I must have misunderstood. I was responding to this :
What concerns me, and why I didn't look that close at him in the first place, is that he broke his wrist in December and then skipped the Combine workouts. At his Pro Day he was suffering a hamstring. He did lift at the Pro Day showing 13, which might indicate some residual wrist issues.
He had a private workout in mid-April, which looks pretty good for a guy who didn't train for it, 3-cone notwithstanding, but he evidently did not try to improve on the lifts, which is a concern.
http://draftwire.usatoday.com/2016/...orkout-results-at-private-pro-day-95-healthy/
I'm highly skeptical of these smaller guys. be they college SS or ILB, playing even semi-regularly at ILB. It's just a rebranding the of the box safety concept. To play these kinds of guys semi-regularly or 3-dwon, you need a stud such as Ragland or the pro players we all know to be top drawer to pair with him.
I like the idea of a healthy Cash for a different reason. This team is only 2 1/2 players deep at safety with Hyde the emergency option. Hyde will be entering FA after this season. Banjo is just a special team player; his upside is occasional box safety. I'd like to see either a SS with respectable coverage skills or a coverage FS added for depth and the eventualities of 2017. Capers coverage concepts are not what you'd call intuitively grasped; it would be nice to give a guy a year to get his feet wet.
I cannot share your enthusiasm for Perry. Here's an all-play tape from the Michigan St. game:
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He plays smaller than his 254 lbs. in the run game. Lots of clean-up plays after somebody else makes initial contact or stretches the play to the sidelines. He plays heads-up high which is good for play awareness, but he gets pushed around a lot as a result.
The only time in the entire game he had to cover downfield, other than the perfunctory zone drop with the ball not thrown his, was the play at the 2:38 mark where he was late reacting to that 4.83 pro day FB release and got burned for a TD. On that play you see his 4.68 speed was not sufficient to make up for the poor awareness. This is precisely the kind of problem we'd like to see fixed.
I see a less hardnosed version of Ryan, but a guy with better play awareness than Ryan coming in. With Ryan's improvement from start to finish of the season, as you know I see more upside there. I don't think Perry would provide much of an upgrade, if any at all.
How does everyone feel about Brothers? I think he's a little slow, but he hits hard and always seems to be around the ball.
Nope.How does everyone feel about Brothers? I think he's a little slow, but he hits hard and always seems to be around the ball.
Nope.
How does everyone feel about Brothers? I think he's a little slow, but he hits hard and always seems to be around the ball.
This is what people said about Denzell Perryman last year and Perryman ended up working his way into that Chargers starting lineup. I believe Perryman was drafted in round 4 last year?
This is what people said about Denzell Perryman last year and Perryman ended up working his way into that Chargers starting lineup. I believe Perryman was drafted in round 4 last year?
People tend to forget though, that players coming out of college are like putty. They get another layer of coaching added on at the next level and they end up being better than what we saw on their college tape eventually. Some fans tend to think that a players ceiling begins and ends in college, when that isn't the case. So its not always a "what you see is what you get". You have to be able to see through their college tape and see the potential of what they could be, not what they currently are.
I'd like to see our picks today come out of this list; (no particular order)
LB- Perry, Brothers, Goodson, Stryker, Martinez, Kwiatkowski
Oline- Murphy, Benonoch, Theus, Haeg, Turner, Alexander, Westerman, Dahl
WR/KR- Listenbee
TE- Adams
DLine- Ridgeway, Day, Tapper, Judon
Any other WR's or DB's you guys like, I'm fine with.
The guy ran a 4.89 at the Combine for gosh sakes. If you're going take a slow guy who's only value is against the run, why not take a faster guy who's good against the run, will stand guys up in the hole, and won't cost as high a pick? That would be Chubb, to name one example.Nope.