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Possibilities for new coach

Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by recte44, Sep 21, 2005.

  1. recte44

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    I thought I'd start a thread (perhaps pin this) in which we can organize our ramblings on potential new coaches into one thread.

    Of course there are no guarantees that Sherman will be gone, but for the sake of this discussion, let's say he is let go at the end of the year. Who would you like to see as the new Packer coach and why?

    To me, there's only one candidate for this job: Pete Carroll. He'll likely be coming off his third straight national championship, his stud QB going to the pros, and ready for a second shot at the NFL. He didn't fare too well the first time, but neither did Belichick in Cleveland. I believe Carroll has the leadership skills to relate to younger players, which is what the Packers will need. He runs a wide open pro style offense, which can be adapted to the NFL game (heck, the Trojans would probably give some NFL teams a run for their money in a one-on-one matchup). He brings instant credibility with his recent resume.

    I officially start the Pete Carroll for Packers Head Coach Bandwagon.

    Let's hear your ideas!
     
  2. rabidgopher04

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    I say that anyone calling for a new coach should be nominated. If Sherman is doing such a bad job then try taking a stab at it. ;)
     
  3. Zero2Cool

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    Only if I could be so lucky to have that oppurtunity.
     
  4. Zero2Cool

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    oh hey pete carroll i jus seen that... thats intriguing
     
  5. Chamuko

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    Id rather gave Bates a chance I really like this guy !!Strong energethic, optimistic, as I have herad some of his former players say "I will play for this man anytime anywhere" That kind of leadership is the one we need right now !!!! IMHO
     
  6. Zero2Cool

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    stole this from another forum

     
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    While I don't anticipate anything happening this year, the best choice is Charlie Weis, though I doubt Notre Dame would let him out.

    Carroll proved he couldn't cut it at the NFL level once before.

    Tim Lewis is a former Packer cornerback, but very soft-spoken.

    I still think the ship will right itself and this talk is very silly.

    It's TT's team now, folks, not Mike Sherman's.
     
  8. PackMan

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    Thanks SlickVision on the list. Not one makes my heart race. "If" and that's a big "if" Sherman is replaced don't be suprised if Bates takes over. Remember the Fins beat the Pats under Bates last year. Now what about Off. and Def. coordinators? I don't think Sherman is going to go anywhere and if he is let go I think Brett retires. To old to start over again. Lets just hope they get it together and improve as the year goes.
     
  9. Zero2Cool

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    How old was Elway when Shanahan took over? Not being a smartace honestly curious.
     
  10. P@ck66

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    Over the years..there have been many coaches who were available and were snapped up by other teams that are WAY better than Sherman...

    1. Mooch
    2. Gruden
    3. Parcells
    4. Lovey
    5. Romeo
    6. Marvin Lewis
    7. Vermeil
    8. John Fox
    9. Nick Saban
    10. Weiss

    I could go on and on....and on.....

    but the Pack is stuck with this lameass...for now...
     
  11. musccy

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    Mooch is #1 on your list?!? The Lions have 5 #1s at their skill positions and they were just obliterated by the Bears and have not made the playoffs since Sanders was around, but he's who you want at HC?

    Parcells? Wasn't he OUTCOACHED by MS when they lost 41-20 to the Packers last year? Didn't the Cowboys make the playoffs in '03 only to follow that up with a stellar 6-10 record under Parcell's watch. Didn't the Cowboys just biff a comfy 13 point lead w/ ~4min to go on Monday night?!?

    Gruden? Didn't he follow up his SB performance with some wonderful 7-9 and 5-11 win seasons?!? Great consistency there!

    MS, just like every other coach has flaws, and MS isn't the only coach to have let downs in the playoffs, or have play calling blunders, or seasons where his team may have underperformed. However, MS has done something that none of the coaches you listed has done...led his team to the playoffs for the past 4 seasons.
     
  12. musccy

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    Also...if you insert a new coach, fine, maybe you find some gem that works magic, or you could find another Ray Rhodes who converted an 11-5 team that was a botched Jerry Rice fumble call away from the 2nd rd. of the playoffs into an 8-8 debacle. You could also wind up hiring another Dennis Erikson, Dom Capers, Steve Spurrier, etc....MS has provided consistency which is something few, if any other coaches in the NFL can say(and if you're going to say it's all because of Brett, then explain Ray Rhodes).
     
  13. P@ck66

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    musscy..

    calm down..you'll blow a gasket....

    this list is in no particular order...

    Mooch doesn't have a QB..that's what's been holding him back....

    I doubt Sherman outcoached anybody..but he certainly didn't outcoach
    Parcells..Cowboys had major problems at QB..but watch out now with Bledsoe...

    Could add Herman Edwards and Tom Coughlin to the list...they're better than Sherman...
     
  14. musccy

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    MS didn't have a compotent QB show up in the MN, ATL, and ST. Louis playoff games, but I don't see you making any excuses for MS there. So why make excuses for Mooch because he doesn't have a QB?

    What are your criteria for a good coach?!? Wins? How much you yell on a sideline? How trendy they are? What Sean Salisbury says? What justification do you have for saying all these ppl are better than MS?!?
     
  15. TOPackerFan

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    Well your hero John Fox admitted as much last year after we trounced the Panthers, so there's at least one person he outcoached.
     
  16. PackMan

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    SlickVision wrote -How old was Elway when Shanahan took over? Not being a smartace honestly curious.

    The same doesn't matter to Brett since he has won a SuperBowl and 3 MVP's. He will not hang out during rebuilding years, he hates to lose too much and has nothing to prove. If we don't win at least 8 games this year Rodgers better be ready next year. I would hate to see him go because I can remember the 70's and 80's. I will enjoy every game this year the best way I can because we are seeing a legend play in what may be his last year. Even an ageing Brett Favre is better then any QB Green Bay has had since Bart Starr.
     
  17. P@ck66

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    Football Decisions...

    Anybody who knows anything about the game knows Sherman doesn't know his *** from a hole in the ground when it comes to football--from calling plays, to making adjustments, mapping out strategy, scouting tendencies, exploiting the other team's weaknesses, choice of coaches,not being predictable...MOTIVATION...etc..etc...

    let's face it..the guy is horrible...awful..HE STINKS...
    (and so does his mole in the booth..ROSSLEY)
     
  18. musccy

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    hmmm, OK pack66, so if John Fox is so great, and Sherman is all those things you say about him...how did the Packers beat Carolina on Monday night last year? Or if Belichek is so great...how did MS and co. beat the defending SB champs IN New England w/ an obliterated secondary in "02 (or whatever year that was)? I would think it would be the result of football decisions, but I guess I'm wrong.
     
  19. P@ck66

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    One word: Favre...

    and a good offensive line..which they don't have anymore..amongst other things...

    Good coaching can often make up for lack of player personnel...but good coaching is not to be found in GB...unfortunately....

    You will see as the season unfolds...and the excuses mount...
     
  20. GakkofNorway

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    The bottom line is that the packers aren't beating anyone NOW, and that is MS foult..
     
  21. Zero2Cool

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    the same doesnt matter to brett? are you saying elway enjoyed losing?


    Shanahan took over in 1994 Elway was 34.
    If a new coach is here next season Brett will be 36.
     
  22. musccy

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    Yet again...if the Packers win it is ALL, EXCLUSIVELY, and ENTIRELY because of Brett Favre, and MS et al were just along for the ride? However, if the Packers lose it is ALL, EXCLUSIVELY, and ENTIRELY MS' fault, and the players such as Brett are in NO way contributed to the losing effort...Brett throwing 6 picks IN NO WAY contributed to the losing effort in St. Louis?!?
     
  23. P@ck66

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    yet Musscy...

    your way is to blame it all on the players...coaching has nothing to do with anything...

    the coaches are above reproach or blame..everything is FINE as far as the coaching of the GB Packers....

    Rossley is MAGNIFICENT...
    Sherman is MAGNIFICENT....


    it's the spoiled, overpayed, rotten bum players that cannot carry out Sherman's genius and grand design..no?

    (This is why I stated earlier that some people on this forum seem to feel that Sherman is on par with Lombardi...he is "non lo toccare".."UNTOUCHABLE"....geez)

    (i kind of wish Favre would have retired three years ago...then you would see how bad Sherman sucks...you will see it this year..but, of course, you will blame it on Favre.....)
     
  24. musccy

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    Simms highlighted the jump ball int between the cle db and Fergy. In it he showed how all of the wrs were covered, however, what Brett failed to see or exploit was William Henderson sitting alone along the right sideline w/ nobody w/in 10 yards of him. MS likely called the play, and it apparently worked, yet BRETT was the one that made the mistake, or failed to utilize his checkdowns. This is just ONE example, but how often could this be happening?!? We don't know because the cameras only show us where the ball is going...we can't see these other events that transpire.

    What's my point...MS could call the most brilliant play ever phatomned, but if the 11 players on the field don't execute, it doesn't matter worth a damn...and the thing is, unless you or I know who's responsible for picking up the blitz, when Driver is supposed to cut off his route, when Whittacker needs to pull for the screen, etc. we'll never be able to know if an unsuccesful play should be blamed for a lack of execution or a poor coaching decision. In the case of the play I referenced, it's pretty obvious to me that it was a matter of execution. How can you blame MS in a situation like that?!? You just can't!

    I'm not so much a MS apologist, more that I realize that nothing is as cut and dry as "Sherman can't game plan." If Bubba slips at the snap, thus can't pull to block for Green, or Driver is held up at the line, or Chatman doesn't turn around at the right time on a timing route...you and I likely would never know...but those are obvious examples of flaws in execution. However, I know you would simply attribute it to idiocy on MS part.

    And you constantly say Sherman can't coach in a big game, or outcoach anyone, so I give examples of him beating some of the coaches you wish were Packers...Parcells, Fox, Belichek...but you do everything in your power to discredit him for those victories, but will stretch as far as you can to blame MS in a playoff loss. And no, it was not JUST Brett...in the Carolina game, the blitz and Ahman's running beat the Panthers...I believe the Packers beat the Pats 28-6, which would suggest that the defense had some role in the victory...they beat Dallas 41-20 so obviously some offenseive play calls were working...but I know you'll find away to divert all of the credit from MS et al.
     
  25. musccy

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    If you read some of my previous posts, I admitted that MS, just like EVERY OTHER coach screws up. Want an example?!? Trying to score a TD w/ about 25 seconds to go was stupid...you need 2 scores...you have a gimmie in a longwell fg...then go for the onside, and with some luck you have time to move the ball down a bit more for a final hail marry. Or...why the hell weren't they in hurry up sooner? I even started a post about this.

    Yes, MS screws up. However, EVERYONE does...your hero Parcells just biffed a 13 point lead AT HOME (heaven forbid) on Monday night...Belichek's well oiled, well disciplined machine was called for something like 14 penalties on Sunday...what the hell was that all about?

    The thing I like about MS is that the teams have been consistent, even the Pats haven't been to as many consecutive playoffs as the Pack have under MS.

    "Yeah musccy, well it's only because of Brett" Well then why did the team go 8-8 under Rhodes?!? He's been consistent...and the pack could try to swing for the fences w/ a new coach...maybe they could have even picked up Saban, but how do you know he won't turn into another Steve Spurrier?!? You don't...the grass isn't always greener on the other side.
     

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