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Politically Incorrect

Discussion in 'The Atrium' started by FrankRizzo, Aug 9, 2012.

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  1. buggybill2003

    buggybill2003 Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    Would that mean while we were rooting for KGB for years, he was ACTUALLY planning the overthrow of the Christian world ?? Damn !
     
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  2. AmishMafia

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    Do you realize that Muslims pray to the same God you do? True story. Allah is their name for God. Jehovah is what the Jews call Him. All the same God. Jesus and Mohamad both formed offshoots of the Jewish faith.

    I say Muslim 5% evil. I say Christians 5% evil. Jews 5% evil.

    I and almost all Christians, Jews, people in other western countries just want to live our lives in decency

    I would say 95% of muslims and Jews want to live in decency.
    I would say 80% of Christians readily accept sin in their lives.

    Really TPB - this is really embarrassing. Hitler considered himself a Christian. He thought he was doing God a favor by killing Jews. The swastika is actually a stylized Christian cross. You are a white Christian - are you a Nazi? Would it be fair to call you a Nazi and liken your views to Hitlers and world domination? That is, of course, stupid, but it is no different than your views of Muslims. I know more than a dozen Muslims and they are, every single one of them, very decent, educated, loving and respectful people.
     
  3. Poppa San

    Poppa San SB I trophy First of four Staff Member Moderator

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    Guess it depends on how fundamental you would want to go. Blue laws (no sales on Sunday), Prohibition, No evolutionary science, Prayer chains not medicine, no abortions ever, kosher diets, back in the closet for anyone "not normal."
     
  4. AmishMafia

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    KGB was a Christian.

    Therefore he was a Nazi and wanted to conquer the world and exterminate Jews.
     
  5. buggybill2003

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    I genuinely thought he was a muslim. My mistake, but I get your point. :tup:
     
  6. AmishMafia

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    He was, but he converted before he became a Packer. (or maybe his rookie year?)
     
  7. buggybill2003

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    So he was "thinking" about it before he saw sense....:rolleyes:
     
  8. Poppa San

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    I thought you were referring to his Christianity. Now my post don't make sense.
     
  9. texaspackerbacker

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    Actually, I seem to recall reading that "Allah" is the "moon god of the Arabian Desert" or something like that ...... but whatever. http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/moongod.htm

    The key point is that America, Britain, and most of the rest of the Christian countries took care of the Hitler problem. You didn't see a very big percentage of us out in the streets supporting the Nazis - then or now. Muslims, on the other hand, well, take a poll - or read a poll - of muslims - what percentage favor annihilating Israel or turning back the clock on western-style freedom and human rights, especially women? a helluva lot closer to my 90 - 99% than your 5%.
     
  10. buggybill2003

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    I`m sorry to have ruined your night ;)
     
  11. texaspackerbacker

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    Poor KGB had two strikes against him hahaha. I never liked that nickname. He shoulda changed it to something a little less Commie-like - maybe CIA.
     
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    Wanting a country back where you once occupied is not evil. Wanting freedom and self rule is not evil. That is more American than anything else. And yes, 99% Muslims would like the Holy Lands returned to their rule, that in itself is not evil. We took this country from the British. They invested and built and we took it over. We are not evil. We fought Mexico for the SW we fought Canada for Washington State. We are not evil.

    Hitler comparison was regarding the way we should be looked at in the world. You are in the same demographic as Hitler, should you be treated as if you are a Nazi? All Muslims you have linked to the Jihadist Fundamentalist Muslim, when they make up a very small percent of all Muslims.
     
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  13. buggybill2003

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    Allah, means THE GOD actually Texas, Al-the one, and lah God, or Allah the one God. I think the thing is bud, as Amish has stated before, YES, there are Muslim fundamentalists, but there are also Jewish fundamentalists, and Christian extremists, its the way of the world. I work alongside quite a few muslims in my job, and I would trust my life to a few of them, not all because that is a personality thing not a faith thing. You seem a good guy from your posts, and as such I respect you as a fellow Packer fan. We`ll have to agree to disagree on the other stuff if thats okay ?
     
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    I don't know whose roots you think you are tracing back, but muslims, Arabs, Palestinians, none of them historically were the primary occupant of the so-called Holy Lands. And if your saying their avowed desire to wipe out the Jews isn't evil, well, what can I say? We never had any desire to annihilate the Brits. Indians? Well maybe a little bit, but we made up for it by giving them casinos hahaha.

    I think we fought a little war with the Canadians for a piece of Maine. Washington state? Maybe you saw that on South Park hahaha.

    As for the Hitler versus Jihadists thing, the point is what percentage supports the evildoers, and you would be really hard-pressed to deny all the evidence that the hughe majority of muslims do.
     
  15. texaspackerbacker

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    http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/moongod.htm
     
  16. buggybill2003

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    written by a christian organisation, so rather biased I`m afraid. I was a student of religion. As I said before, I respect your right to hold your views, mine and a few others see things different. You have a good afternoon/evening :tup:
     
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    Last post on this. (i hope) I am getting frustrated.

    Never said they were the primary occupant. How does that matter? If you live in a place for many generations you want to stay there. Jews were the first (maybe) historical account of organized occupation of the holy lands. Much of the conflict right now is the pushing out of Palestinian zones and replacing it with Jewish Settlements. Although the Jews in most cases purchase the lands - this is not what the radical Muslims want the world to know. Instead they portray it as a forced displacement. They take advantage of the emotion and ignorance of the Muslim and Palestinian peoples. This is exactly the same as the anti-Muslim crowd fills the minds of the ignorant and emotional Americans.

    There is NO DESIRE OF ALL MUSLIMS TO WIPE OUT ISRAEL. Not sure that is ever going to sink in.

    Washington State. Polk ran on platform of fighting Canada for Washington State. He won. Became president. Canada began negotiating and gave up a big chunk. Never a shot fired, but we took it over with the threat of war.

    hard-pressed to deny all the evidence that the hughe majority of muslims do.

    Good grief. There is no evidence because it just simply is not true.

    Man, you get to choose to believe what you want - but it is exactly this attitude, ignorance and hate that has caused this world to be as it is. THE PROBLEM IS YOU! Do something about it. A small percent of Christians believe this crap and a small percentage of Muslims believe in Jihad and annihilating Israel. You can't change peoples minds - they can only do it for themselves.

    Good luck.
     
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  18. texaspackerbacker

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    No wonder you're frustrated. You keep digging yourself into a deeper and deeper pit of wrongheadedness hahaha. (Just the same, I appreciate the fun and civil back and forth arguing.)

    At least you got it right about the Jews' original claim to the Holy Land. Are you aware of the large segment of muslims and Arab Jews living in Israel - basically with freedom and rights and without anything remotely close to the ridiculously bad way Jews are treated in any muslim country you can name? Sure, there is zero tolerance for terrorist activities - that's a matter of survival, given who they are dealing with, but Israel is an island of freedom and western-style civilized behavior in a part of the world dominated by muslim barbarism. Would you seriously dispute that fact?

    Your history is almost as far off as your politics. Polk/Manifest Destiny most certainly was not a "war with Canada" - unless you define using the threat of force as a negotiating tool as war. 54 40 or Fight, then compromising with an eternally peaceful border at 49 degrees constitutes a good Christian/western civilized way to solve a dispute. Do I need to cite a few dozen contrasting examples of the muslim way of doing things? Can you say "barbaric"? "uncivilized"? "genocidal"? By the way, in the 1840s, it wasn't even Canada doing the war or negotiating or whatever you choose to call it. It was, of course, Britain.

    Do you seriously contend that the vast majority of muslims don't enthusiastically subscribe to the genocidal back-to-the-dark ages views of those radicals you seem to think are so marginalized? Look at the elections in Egypt, the most populous Arab country - voting in the radicals pushing exactly those ideas. You can honestly claim "no evidence"? How in denial can you be? Numerous direct quotes from muslim leaders, the violence and intimidation of non-muslims worldwide, a plethora of visuals of frenzied crowds and mob rule, polls and interviews of even the so-called moderate muslims - what more do you want?

    Having a realistic outlook toward a group that openly proclaims itself our enemy is not ignorance, and it's not a problem. None on our side is calling for the annihilation of muslims - just a healthy understanding of what makes the enemy tick. I don't think very many American minds need to be changed to arrive at that.
     
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  19. Oshkoshpackfan

    Oshkoshpackfan YUT !!!

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    Let me ask you this one question: Have you ever been over to Iraq or Afganistan? I am guessing that is a big NO on your part. I have no clue where you get this 99% pole from because it is BS. There is a very small % that hates Americans, but they also hate the rest of the world as well. The vast majority of the civilian people over there are dirt poor and will still give you what little bit of food they have out of hospitality. I have seen this first hand. Those people are poor and humble, yet still seem to have enough of a positive attitude to US troops that they will share food, offer clothing, and sit and drink a tea with you. The radicals you speak of make up a small, maybe 5%.....check your stats bro, you are way off. Hell, I love the kids over there, they are SOOOO greatful for any little thing, unlike the spoiled punk kids we have here. Give a kid over there some skittles candy and he will watch your back and tell you who is bad and who is not.
     
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  20. texaspackerbacker

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    I'm 65 yrs. old. Vietnam was my war. If you are one of our recent vets who served there, as you seem to imply, I applaud and appreciate you. Living right next to Fort Hood, I have almost daily contact with people who have been in both war zones, some of whom tell similar stories to yours and some not so positive about the locals. All I'm really saying is that there is clearly a helluva a lot of sympathy for those radicals - I would accept the 5% figure for active evildoers. There is also an extreme amount of support across the muslim world for those who want to inflict sharia law and other horrors of fundamentalist Islam not only in their own backyard but as far and wide in the world as they can.
     
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    I was going to express an opinion but figure it would be wasted because you believe your opinion is right, and I come here to read and talk about the Packers.
     
  22. Oshkoshpackfan

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    Yeah, I am a vet. Thanks to you too for serving as well. You served along with my father in Vietnam.

    The same can be said about a wide selection of people in this country from different perspectives. There are still a large amount of closed minded fools who like to hate on their own American neighbors for being a different color, or religion. The KKK is still very active and growing, as is the christian radical coalition groups. It's a problem of world wide proportions that will never end up being solved. People will always find some reason to hate another person. It's a shallow world.
     
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  23. texaspackerbacker

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    Yeah but ..... there is a huge difference between hating for irrational and uncontrollable reasons such as race like you mentioned and hating - not even really hating, just being realistic - because of a track record of evil deeds and mass support for those evil deeds.
     
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    oh for pity sake, we GET that you have far right views. There is NO difference at all. You obviously hate Muslims because you believe ALL of them are planning the overthrow of the western monster. I know and work with quite a few muslims who are good people. I have been a guest in several muslim households, and NEVER have they said a word about hating the west. ANY man can take from whatever holy book they read information that suits them. I once out of curiosity went to the KKK site to see what **** they were spouting. THEY used a quote from the old testament which said "and man shall have dominion over the animals of the field". The animals they talked about were Negroes. The christians of the 1200`s were told they would be forgiven sins if they went and killed muslims in the crusades, but hey, thats okay because they were christians right ?
    You`re a veteran of your country and thats admirable, but this continued Muslim bashing is getting a bit boring now.
     
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    I've always wished Santa Ana would have won.
     
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