Pivotal Plays of Week 8 - Jaguars

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One thing I have always felt quite strongly about is, yes an entire game is never won or loss in only a handful of games, HOWEVER pivotal plays can and do IMO impact a game just as much as turnovers. These big plays can be a turnover yes, but they can also be a massive punt in a moment or TFL or an amazing run.

I hope to keep this up weekly for discussions of these plays.

Only for the sake of limiting discussions - let's keep lists to the 5 or fewer plays which popped for you each week:

My list from Jaguars (no specific order)

The Sack/Strip/Turnover play.
Now notice I didn't just say the Cooper strip/sack/turnover - because only fools see it as such IMO. Just as last week when Cooper made Eric Wilson's MASSIVE sack moment possible with his interior rush attack, Clark and Cooper on this play did the stunt to the perfect scenario and when they crossed Cooper just straight up dominated this rep...but man the play wasn't over when he caused the fumble. Hafley has talked about attacking the ball and the play is never done mentality...Wyatt oh my word did this to a "T". When that ball became free Morse (Jag's Center) looked well ahead of ANYONE coming for the ball and was literally in the motion of crashing onto and I swear Wyatt moved at 2x the speed of ANYONE around - it was like a genie hit fast forward button. Wyatt closed the distance, literally shoved Morse aside and gathered the ball all in one motion. It was a thing of beauty...the entire play.

Jacobs' BIG TD Run
Jacob's bounce out ability was on full display, but one thing anyone that has seen Jacobs over the years has seen is his amazing ability to in tight spaces shed tacklers. On this play, his ability to jump cut outside was a little ungodly...but a Jaguar defender had an amazing line and was set to tackle him as he appeared to be attempting to bounce it back outside but actually subtly cut back into his attacker which surprised the defender and he could hold on to Jacobs who slipped off of him due to it. The ENTIRE time, Watson is literally removing the safety over top (Savage) from the play and giving Jacobs a lane straight into the endzone once he got to the second level.

Big Play Kraft
Love handled the interior pressure when Jenkins got beat exceeding well, feeling it without losing vision, peeling to his right and throwing a DIME to a broken free Kraft. Upon the catch Kraft shed the attacking DB's attempted tackle like a momma bear being attacked by her cub play fighting. Then at the 27 yard line he literally stiff arms the first attempt by Andre Cisco and then at the 20 he says no-no-no again to this second cub (to keep the Bear reference going)...and I still think the ONLY reason Kraft didn't score was at the 10 yard line he chose to stop stiffing arming the cub and figured I think he could man handle or fight the final 5 yards and turned his attention to the goal line and Cisco barely managed to get him corralled finally.

The Willis Can Call in Clutch Time
Tied 27-27....2nd and 6 we see Willis call an audible "Can, can..." I instantly get excited because my gut told me run was called but he saw something and while a can call isn't always to a pass play, it is more likely. The line blocked this play excellently - Jacob's faked the rush well, causing the backer assigned to Reed to hesitate JUST BARELY enough...and his speed was no match slipping out and up the sideline. Willis, just like he did for years in college, threw a great touch deep ball to Reed essentially locking the chance to win the game with a kick up for us.

Brooks Saying No
I don't think folks realize what Brooks' did on that final drive...this young man is literally seeing his NFL dream come to life before his eyes....the endzone is there for the taking, the seas are literally parting (by choice of course) and he gets the first and gets down to make CERTAIN the game is in his team's potential ending is in his team's hands and not the opponents potentially playing for it. It is such a small act, but is the epitome of situational football and team mentality.
 

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One thing I have always felt quite strongly about is, yes an entire game is never won or loss in only a handful of games, HOWEVER pivotal plays can and do IMO impact a game just as much as turnovers. These big plays can be a turnover yes, but they can also be a massive punt in a moment or TFL or an amazing run.

I hope to keep this up weekly for discussions of these plays.

Only for the sake of limiting discussions - let's keep lists to the 5 or fewer plays which popped for you each week:

My list from Jaguars (no specific order)

The Sack/Strip/Turnover play.
Now notice I didn't just say the Cooper strip/sack/turnover - because only fools see it as such IMO. Just as last week when Cooper made Eric Wilson's MASSIVE sack moment possible with his interior rush attack, Clark and Cooper on this play did the stunt to the perfect scenario and when they crossed Cooper just straight up dominated this rep...but man the play wasn't over when he caused the fumble. Hafley has talked about attacking the ball and the play is never done mentality...Wyatt oh my word did this to a "T". When that ball became free Morse (Jag's Center) looked well ahead of ANYONE coming for the ball and was literally in the motion of crashing onto and I swear Wyatt moved at 2x the speed of ANYONE around - it was like a genie hit fast forward button. Wyatt closed the distance, literally shoved Morse aside and gathered the ball all in one motion. It was a thing of beauty...the entire play.

Jacobs' BIG TD Run
Jacob's bounce out ability was on full display, but one thing anyone that has seen Jacobs over the years has seen is his amazing ability to in tight spaces shed tacklers. On this play, his ability to jump cut outside was a little ungodly...but a Jaguar defender had an amazing line and was set to tackle him as he appeared to be attempting to bounce it back outside but actually subtly cut back into his attacker which surprised the defender and he could hold on to Jacobs who slipped off of him due to it. The ENTIRE time, Watson is literally removing the safety over top (Savage) from the play and giving Jacobs a lane straight into the endzone once he got to the second level.

Big Play Kraft
Love handled the interior pressure when Jenkins got beat exceeding well, feeling it without losing vision, peeling to his right and throwing a DIME to a broken free Kraft. Upon the catch Kraft shed the attacking DB's attempted tackle like a momma bear being attacked by her cub play fighting. Then at the 27 yard line he literally stiff arms the first attempt by Andre Cisco and then at the 20 he says no-no-no again to this second cub (to keep the Bear reference going)...and I still think the ONLY reason Kraft didn't score was at the 10 yard line he chose to stop stiffing arming the cub and figured I think he could man handle or fight the final 5 yards and turned his attention to the goal line and Cisco barely managed to get him corralled finally.

The Willis Can Call in Clutch Time
Tied 27-27....2nd and 6 we see Willis call an audible "Can, can..." I instantly get excited because my gut told me run was called but he saw something and while a can call isn't always to a pass play, it is more likely. The line blocked this play excellently - Jacob's faked the rush well, causing the backer assigned to Reed to hesitate JUST BARELY enough...and his speed was no match slipping out and up the sideline. Willis, just like he did for years in college, threw a great touch deep ball to Reed essentially locking the chance to win the game with a kick up for us.

Brooks Saying No
I don't think folks realize what Brooks' did on that final drive...this young man is literally seeing his NFL dream come to life before his eyes....the endzone is there for the taking, the seas are literally parting (by choice of course) and he gets the first and gets down to make CERTAIN the game is in his team's potential ending is in his team's hands and not the opponents potentially playing for it. It is such a small act, but is the epitome of situational football and team mentality.
On the drive before the last one. Willis took a sack. I like that he does not appear to force anything that is not there. Better to punt than turn it over.
 
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On the drive before the last one. Willis took a sack. I like that he does not appear to force anything that is not there. Better to punt than turn it over.

Ah good play to mention. Sometimes taking a sack at a pivotal time is a crucial piece to an otherwise completed puzzle one could say.
 

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Another pivotal play was on the drive following the jags taking the lead. On 3rd and 3 at the 37, Willis hits Wicks at the sideline for the 1st town. Play was only 5 yards, but moved the chains. Then Willis runs for 20 followed by Jacob's TD run.

If they go 3 and out, they're in trouble because Jags have been moving the ball and have the momentum. That series swung momentum back to the Packers.
 

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Another pivotal play was on the drive following the jags taking the lead. On 3rd and 3 at the 37, Willis hits Wicks at the sideline for the 1st town. Play was only 5 yards, but moved the chains. Then Willis runs for 20 followed by Jacob's TD run.

If they go 3 and out, they're in trouble because Jags have been moving the ball and have the momentum. That series swung momentum back to the Packers.
Definitely. This is how a QB realizes that the primary goal is to move the sticks. Many a time we recall Rodgers shooting for the big hit when all we needed was a checkdown.
 

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Definitely. This is how a QB realizes that the primary goal is to move the sticks. Many a time we recall Rodgers shooting for the big hit when all we needed was a checkdown.
IMO the primary goal on any third down, unless you are down by multiple scores late in the game, should be get the first down. I'm not saying never go for it all but you should be calling plays that give you the best chance of getting that first down. Your QB should have the option if he sees something that might allow a big play but move the chains and eat the clock. That also doesn't mean to only run plays designed to get the minimum number of yards. It means relatively high percentage plays that give you the best chance to succeed in getting the at least the minimum number of yards.
 

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IMO the primary goal on any third down, unless you are down by multiple scores late in the game, should be get the first down. I'm not saying never go for it all but you should be calling plays that give you the best chance of getting that first down. Your QB should have the option if he sees something that might allow a big play but move the chains and eat the clock. That also doesn't mean to only run plays designed to get the minimum number of yards. It means relatively high percentage plays that give you the best chance to succeed in getting the at least the minimum number of yards.
" Matriculate down the field." And really that last pass by Willis was not designed to be a big gainer. It was there to get a first down and from there keep the drive going. As it turned out the overplay by Jacksonville and speed of Reed made it a long one.
 

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The Tom holding call is the exact point where Malik shouldve went in. I get the feeling if Malik starts playing at that point the pack blows em out.
 

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One thing I have always felt quite strongly about is, yes an entire game is never won or loss in only a handful of games, HOWEVER pivotal plays can and do IMO impact a game just as much as turnovers. These big plays can be a turnover yes, but they can also be a massive punt in a moment or TFL or an amazing run.

I hope to keep this up weekly for discussions of these plays.

Only for the sake of limiting discussions - let's keep lists to the 5 or fewer plays which popped for you each week:

My list from Jaguars (no specific order)

The Sack/Strip/Turnover play.
Now notice I didn't just say the Cooper strip/sack/turnover - because only fools see it as such IMO. Just as last week when Cooper made Eric Wilson's MASSIVE sack moment possible with his interior rush attack, Clark and Cooper on this play did the stunt to the perfect scenario and when they crossed Cooper just straight up dominated this rep...but man the play wasn't over when he caused the fumble. Hafley has talked about attacking the ball and the play is never done mentality...Wyatt oh my word did this to a "T". When that ball became free Morse (Jag's Center) looked well ahead of ANYONE coming for the ball and was literally in the motion of crashing onto and I swear Wyatt moved at 2x the speed of ANYONE around - it was like a genie hit fast forward button. Wyatt closed the distance, literally shoved Morse aside and gathered the ball all in one motion. It was a thing of beauty...the entire play.

Jacobs' BIG TD Run
Jacob's bounce out ability was on full display, but one thing anyone that has seen Jacobs over the years has seen is his amazing ability to in tight spaces shed tacklers. On this play, his ability to jump cut outside was a little ungodly...but a Jaguar defender had an amazing line and was set to tackle him as he appeared to be attempting to bounce it back outside but actually subtly cut back into his attacker which surprised the defender and he could hold on to Jacobs who slipped off of him due to it. The ENTIRE time, Watson is literally removing the safety over top (Savage) from the play and giving Jacobs a lane straight into the endzone once he got to the second level.

Big Play Kraft
Love handled the interior pressure when Jenkins got beat exceeding well, feeling it without losing vision, peeling to his right and throwing a DIME to a broken free Kraft. Upon the catch Kraft shed the attacking DB's attempted tackle like a momma bear being attacked by her cub play fighting. Then at the 27 yard line he literally stiff arms the first attempt by Andre Cisco and then at the 20 he says no-no-no again to this second cub (to keep the Bear reference going)...and I still think the ONLY reason Kraft didn't score was at the 10 yard line he chose to stop stiffing arming the cub and figured I think he could man handle or fight the final 5 yards and turned his attention to the goal line and Cisco barely managed to get him corralled finally.

The Willis Can Call in Clutch Time
Tied 27-27....2nd and 6 we see Willis call an audible "Can, can..." I instantly get excited because my gut told me run was called but he saw something and while a can call isn't always to a pass play, it is more likely. The line blocked this play excellently - Jacob's faked the rush well, causing the backer assigned to Reed to hesitate JUST BARELY enough...and his speed was no match slipping out and up the sideline. Willis, just like he did for years in college, threw a great touch deep ball to Reed essentially locking the chance to win the game with a kick up for us.

Brooks Saying No
I don't think folks realize what Brooks' did on that final drive...this young man is literally seeing his NFL dream come to life before his eyes....the endzone is there for the taking, the seas are literally parting (by choice of course) and he gets the first and gets down to make CERTAIN the game is in his team's potential ending is in his team's hands and not the opponents potentially playing for it. It is such a small act, but is the epitome of situational football and team mentality.
omg this is tremendous...making sense on here u stop it right now
 

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I was listening to the radio a few weeks back and Harry Douglas (former Falcons WR) actually took it kind of to the extreme and was saying how in his estimation EVERY game is won or lost on just 5 or so plays. Might be a big turnover that changes the balance, the score that "opens the floodgates" for the blowout, a clutch stop that seals a win, a clutch score that secures the lead, etc... Kind of an interesting perspective and certainly a fun way to look at games. I think that's kinda the angle it seems like you're taking here, but I like it. Not just looking at the individual play in and of itself, but looking at the context of the play, how it impacted momentum, etc.
 
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I was listening to the radio a few weeks back and Harry Douglas (former Falcons WR) actually took it kind of to the extreme and was saying how in his estimation EVERY game is won or lost on just 5 or so plays. Might be a big turnover that changes the balance, the score that "opens the floodgates" for the blowout, a clutch stop that seals a win, a clutch score that secures the lead, etc... Kind of an interesting perspective and certainly a fun way to look at games. I think that's kinda the angle it seems like you're taking here, but I like it. Not just looking at the individual play in and of itself, but looking at the context of the play, how it impacted momentum, etc.
That’s actually consistent with why some teams (Chiefs, Brady led Pats etc) tend to just win the bulk of closer contests. They are masterful in manipulating those 5 plays into their favor. Or creating 5 plays to erase them.
 

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