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Pff annual top 50 list...how many packers?

Discussion in 'Green Bay Packers Fan Forum' started by longtimefan, Jun 4, 2020.

  1. longtimefan

    longtimefan Super Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator Moderator

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    That will change next year
     
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    I could potentially see Jaire and ZSmith making this list next year. Not sure who else. Under a different coaching staff I might anticipate Rodgers but I think MLF is going for a Tenessee style offense so the Packers won't be throwing enough for that to happen (I don't think he'll have the receiving options to be more efficient with less pass attempts). Jones has a chance to make the list next year but I don't think he'll be a Packer if/when he makes it.
     
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    Rodgers not being in the top 50 is a complete joke.
     
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    Very much so.
     
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    once you realize Rodgers and his divaness and his lack of trust with receivers that couldn't learn the offense and his pouting and his friction with the a 1st time 1st year headcoach, his former girlfriend not being Godly enough and his current GF being a Bears fan and not talking to his attention seeking bachelor brother was the reason for only going 14-4 on the season and not winning the Super Bowl you'd then understand why he wasn't in the top 50. Sheesh
     
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    No. No it isn't. Jones and Z Smith have much better arguments to be on the list then Rodgers
     
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    Smith, perhaps, Jones, no.
     
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    Jones last year was a much better player then Rodgers. Honestly there's not really even a logical dispute to be made on that. (although I'm sure people will try)
     
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    Jones was the leading receiver for the team when Adams got hurt. Jones was tied with Henry for the league lead in rushing TDs, he was tied with McCaffrey for the league lead in overall TDs. Jones was 8th in total yards from scrimmage while being 10th in total touches last year while getting those TDs and yards (285 total touches vs 403 for McCaffrey and 321 for Henry). Jones, last year, was a top-7 RB in the NFL. Rodgers, last year, didn't have the kind of receiving options to put up the stats that the best QBs did.

    I would take Aaron Jones over Nick Chubb and PFF listed Chubb as the 27th best player (he's the last RB in the list).

    Regarding Rodgers; I still think he's well above-average but I don't think he's the elite player he used to be (hence the reason I think the front office has failed him in the last few drafts) and he needs more help now to be truly elite. The last QB in the list of top-50 is Deshaun Watson and, to be fair, I think he's positioned to be a better QB in the NFL when you consider that he can run AND throw. Now, that might change since his front office decided to jettison their best player for an overpriced RB, but that's the state of QBs based on recent years. Rodgers is very good, but he hasn't been helped much in recent years by a front office that has been forced to focus on trying to rectify truly terrible defensive player choices rather than build an elite offensive unit.
     
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    This is a pff list so I didn't expect Jones as they hate most RB's if not all RB's but I was disappointed that both Rodgers and Zadarius were left off.
    Just because we have another deserving player doesn't mean it was the right move to leave off Rodgers, I would definitely take him over Brady and Brees who both made the list.
     
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    imho Rodgers did not have a good season (for him) last year. And I don't blame that on the receiving corps. I think he is going to have a helluva season this year.
     
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    My problem is not so much with Rodgers failing to make it as it is with Rodgers being behind Brady.
     
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    Good lord, this just proves how spoiled as Packer fans we truly are. So Rodgers didn't have the eye popping numbers that he used to even still his numbers were still pretty good last year, and to who's standard are we comparing him besides himself? So you're telling me that Tom Brady had a better year than Rodgers last year? Hell Rodgers wasn't too far behind Wilson who ranked pretty high on this list. Hell Rodgers overall had a better season than Watson. And why can't we blame this on the receiver corps when they A. Dropped passes B. Couldn't get seperation for whatever reason? Not to say Rodgers is blameless in all of this, but still. Rodgers season may have not have been "good" to what we've been accustomed to (New system, coming off injury, etc) but he had a pretty good year compared to most. He's definitely top 50. This list is a joke.
     
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    All this list tells me is that people are finally sick and tired of his BS. I agree that the list loses credibility without him on it but his attitude has killed him. He can expect to get even less respect from now on. It's a shame. He could have and should have handled many things differently.
     
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    Can we finally put to rest the notion that Rodgers needed better WRs to play better? Clearly the sports world recognizes Adams is a much better WR than Rodgers is a QB. We should be looking at upgrading the QB position so we don't waste the prime of our HOF talent at WR. Oh wait, we got Love.
     
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    I really hope this is joke and you didn't just call Love a upgrade at QB
     
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    he had a better year than brady. brady was in the bottom third in a lot of catagorys. rodgers averaged being in the top of the middle third.
     
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    That is as close as we are ever going to get from you in regards to complimenting Rodgers. Lol
     
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    A lot of packer fans are disliking Rodgers and his tude these days. Player wise, he appears to be slowing down a bit. But - we all know what he is capable of at any time any game. Ranking schmankings, big deal. Show me the AR that hits the open guy every time, and this team becomes a Hulk offensively. That Rodgers is gone I think, and it will haunt him if he continues. It's becoming pretty obvious that he tends to take his game into the fate of the team. That's a problem, a big one.
     
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    That Rodgers never existed.

    Rodgers' real sin isn't his attitude, it's that he didn't live up the potential of leading this team to multiple Super Bowl wins after the media crowned him the GOAT early in his career. That's not his fault, but had he done that (or rather been allowed to do that), no one would be criticizing his attitude, and he would be hailed as a hero.
     
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    Brady has always had accuracy issues with that 63.0 career completion percentage. Worse, there have been all those short throws to slots, TEs and RBs over the past decade as evidenced by his weak career 7.0 yds. per attempt. He should have been posting 70+% seasons like Brees in recent years. And those weak Division opponents--a grand total of four 10 win seasons over the last decade against fourteen 10 loss seasons.

    This past season produced some especially weak Brady stats with his 2nd. ranked receiver being a running back without a close third out of the WR position, but as we know that's no excuse. Never mind that the Pats finished 13-3. They lost in the wild card round and that's the only thing that matters in evaluating QB performance.

    Brady's 2019 resembles his dismal 2006 season where his top receiver was the recently murdered Reche Caldwell. 12-4, lost in the Conference Championship. Randy Moss shows up in 2007 with both players having seasons for the ages, while Welker has his breakout season. 16-0, lost in the Super Bowl. That reminds me of a certain 15-1 team with a very good group of receiving weapons.

    If one wants to go by winning games despite less than stellar stats, which is the Brady carreer in the aggregate, with the GOAT designation the product of championships, not stats however you measure them, where the greatest coach since Lombardi has a little something to do with that, then there you have it. Last I checked, the Packers have not had a defensive genius who could change his defensive scheme from one playoff game to the next after crusing through a weak division every year.

    You know, going 13-3 with a rookie head coach with a new system and only two offensive weapons to speak of, one of which missed 4 games, winning by smoke and mirrors as some would have it, it seems that some want to bite the hand that feeds them. Rodgers does belong in the top 50 just as Brady's stats have lying for nearly all of the last two decades.

    I'm sure I'll get some replies that miss the point, but that's OK and not all that unusual.
     
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