1. Welcome to Green Bay Packers NFL Football Forum & Community!

    Packer Forum is one of the largest online communities for the Green Bay Packers. You are currently viewing our community forums as a guest user.

    Sign Up or

    Having an account grants you additional privileges, such as creating and participating in discussions. Furthermore, we hide most of the ads once you register as a member!
    Dismiss Notice

Peppers Poll

Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by AKCheese, Jan 25, 2016.

?

Peppers Back Next Year

  1. Yes

    54 vote(s)
    80.6%
  2. No, he retires

    2 vote(s)
    3.0%
  3. No, he's released

    11 vote(s)
    16.4%
  1. AKCheese

    AKCheese Cheesehead

    Joined:
    Mar 11, 2014
    Messages:
    319
    Ratings:
    +146
    tough call
     
  2. captainWIMM

    captainWIMM Cheesehead

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2012
    Messages:
    12,688
    Ratings:
    +6,640
    If Peppers decides to play another season I want the Packers to bring him back, maybe renegotiate his contract to lower his cap hit.
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
  3. Jdeed

    Jdeed Cheesehead

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2014
    Messages:
    187
    Ratings:
    +32
    LOL you really think he's going to take a pay cut? If anything he'll make more money somewhere else if GB can't pay him.

    10.5 sacks 9 Pro Bowls
     
  4. Pokerbrat2000

    Pokerbrat2000 Opinions are like A-holes, we all have one.

    Joined:
    Oct 30, 2012
    Messages:
    4,722
    Ratings:
    +2,939
    Dream scenario....Peppers is back and takes a bit of a pay cut. Dream scenario #2: Peppers is back and still has plenty in his tank to deserve what he will be paid. What I don't see is Peppers wanting to hook up with another team if cut by the Packers, so if he doesn't want to retire, he's a Packer. Dream scenario #3: Packers cut him, Vikings pay him big bucks and Peppers and the Vikings learn he should have retired this year.

    I just don't think the guy is slowing down just yet.....we need him!
     
    • Creative Creative x 1
  5. Jdeed

    Jdeed Cheesehead

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2014
    Messages:
    187
    Ratings:
    +32

    They will pay him period and he's not even close to being done.

    Also he played for Carolina and Chicago before coming to GB so he's not afraid to move around.

    8 years for Carolina, 4 years for Chicago, 2 for GB.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  6. captainWIMM

    captainWIMM Cheesehead

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2012
    Messages:
    12,688
    Ratings:
    +6,640
    There´s no denying Peppers was still productive in 2015 but at 36 years old it´s anyone´s guess when his play will decline. I have a hard time believing teams would line up to pay him more than $8 million a season if the Packers decide to release him.
     
  7. 4zone

    4zone Cheesehead

    Joined:
    Apr 22, 2015
    Messages:
    148
    Ratings:
    +42
    He is still greatly productive, a great mentor for anyone you draft and a leader in the locker room. Great asset. Perhaps, renegotiate the remainder of his contract if he is open to that. But if CM3 is back outside full time next year, what a dilemma that poses for opposing offenses...
     
  8. Jdeed

    Jdeed Cheesehead

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2014
    Messages:
    187
    Ratings:
    +32
    A team that is one or two pieces away would. You take your chances releasing the guy.

    Any redo would give him more bonus up front for staying and he will still make his money.

    what I don't see is him saying oh sure I'll only take 4 million whats money.

    Why do you think he came to GB in the first place??? $$$$$$
     
  9. Half Empty

    Half Empty Cheesehead

    Joined:
    Oct 29, 2014
    Messages:
    1,770
    Ratings:
    +670
    Nobody knows what someone else is really thinking, but while I was looking for other offers or something to question how you know it was Green Bay's cash, I did find this quote -
    "The teams that have the good quarterbacks are the teams that win. That obviously factored into some of my decision making," Peppers told the team's website of joining Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers. "I'm looking forward to playing with Aaron. As much as I disliked chasing him around, I'm excited to join him."

    "That's the most important thing. I haven't won a championship. That's where my focus is. I feel like the team is set up to make a run and I feel I can help get it there," Peppers added."
     
  10. Wynnebeck

    Wynnebeck Cheesehead

    Joined:
    Mar 5, 2015
    Messages:
    225
    Ratings:
    +61
    Bingo Empty. Peppers came here because he knows Rodgers is one o the best QBs in the league. He cares about money, but he wants a ring. That's why he was so dejected after they lost to the Cardinals. To get that close and piss it away. I think he's coming back for one last ride seeing as how we get the whole squad back for 2016 with one of the easiest schedule in the NFL.
     
  11. C-Lee

    C-Lee Cheesehead

    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2015
    Messages:
    643
    Ratings:
    +378
    Really hope he comes back for one last season. Love Peppy.
     
  12. Twiddlemylobes

    Twiddlemylobes Fat Tuesday Orleans

    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2014
    Messages:
    1,109
    Ratings:
    +521
    First of all I like Peppers.
    The financial part of My brain is starting to wonder if we're getting full value at that kinda dough. He's a great player but you have to reason that you could resign multiple existing FAs on our team or other teams or a combination of both and multiple positions of need at that price tag.
    I think the fact that he has taken a leadership role and is such an easy fit as a positive morale guy that it leans towards a 3rd season for him
     
  13. adambr2

    adambr2 Cheesehead

    Joined:
    Nov 8, 2012
    Messages:
    2,792
    Ratings:
    +2,175
    Sure, you can get Neal and Perry for the price of Peppers. You'll also be lucky to get the same production out of the 2 than just from Peppers. I'll take the one difference maker over the 2 role players.

    I'm not concerned with 8M for Peppers. He's coming off a better 2015 than he was in 2014 and his cap hit will be less in 2016 than it was in 2015, so I don't see what leverage we have to ask him to take a pay cut.

    Very few guys are going to give you double digit sacks for less than 8M.

    If 2016 happens to be the year he falls off, so be it. We don't have any further commitment to him, so no big deal. But he didn't show any sign of it this year.
     
    Last edited: Jan 25, 2016
    • Agree Agree x 2
    • Like Like x 1
  14. NelsonsLongCatch

    NelsonsLongCatch Cheesehead

    Joined:
    Dec 7, 2008
    Messages:
    2,697
    Ratings:
    +850
    1) Why would Peppers agree to a pay cut? He clearly can play at a high level.

    2) Why is a pay cut necessary? The Packers have ample cap room, nobody important to resign, and he's off the books at the end of next season. Packers look to be a little over $22M under the cap: http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/green-bay-packers/cap/
     
    Last edited: Jan 25, 2016
    • Agree Agree x 1
  15. NelsonsLongCatch

    NelsonsLongCatch Cheesehead

    Joined:
    Dec 7, 2008
    Messages:
    2,697
    Ratings:
    +850
    Julius Peppers is worth more to the Packers than Mike Neal and Nick Perry.
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
  16. Twiddlemylobes

    Twiddlemylobes Fat Tuesday Orleans

    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2014
    Messages:
    1,109
    Ratings:
    +521
    Hey, I'd like nothing more than to see Peppers finish off on a high note and our team playing at a high level. He deserves a ring after his stellar career and his chances with us are significant.
    Hopefully TT gets out of his comfort box and fills 1-2 of our top needs in FA. I'm gonna be very speculative and discouraged if Ted completely ignores FA this year, my gut tells me this year is A make or break season based on this years weakness
    IMO, Our top 3-4 deficiencies cannot be patchworked Solely through the draft and/or street signings, we need to push a few more chips in on the next several hands.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  17. captainWIMM

    captainWIMM Cheesehead

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2012
    Messages:
    12,688
    Ratings:
    +6,640
    The Packers will be able to roll over an additional $7.2 million in cap space not used for the 2015 season. Nevertheless re-signing some of our guys, hopefully selectively adding free agents to address positions of need and draft picks will eat up a lot of it. In addition the situation gets way more complicated in 2017 so Peppers agreeing to a pay cut would be beneficial going forward.
     
  18. scotscheese

    scotscheese Cheesehead

    Joined:
    Oct 11, 2013
    Messages:
    509
    Ratings:
    +337
    i'd like to see peppers here. i'm amazed by how the cap and salaries work in the NFL, and admit i pretty much don't understand any of it. i would assume however that if any renegotiation takes place, that both the pack and JP are clever enough to make it the same values for different reasons if we want to free up cap space(?)
     
  19. Wynnebeck

    Wynnebeck Cheesehead

    Joined:
    Mar 5, 2015
    Messages:
    225
    Ratings:
    +61
    Contracts and cap space are a tricky thing. Here's a useful link to a breakdown of what it is: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1665623-how-does-the-salary-cap-work-in-the-nfl
     
    • Informative Informative x 1
  20. scotscheese

    scotscheese Cheesehead

    Joined:
    Oct 11, 2013
    Messages:
    509
    Ratings:
    +337
  21. gemoran4

    gemoran4 Cheesehead

    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2014
    Messages:
    17
    Ratings:
    +10
    To answer the poll, of course he comes back next year and he more than likely comes back at his salary. The fact is the guy fills two extremely important roles for us, at least in the short term:

    1) He adds veteran leadership. We have drafted a lot of guys the last two or three years on the defensive side of the ball. Our defense is very young right now, and I think having a guy like Peppers is extremely valuable. He's a veteran who's an extremely accomplished player. He can provide leadership for a younger group on that side of the ball, and in general seems to be a very good influence.

    2) Provides pass rush opposite Clay Matthews. For years we tried to find a guy to play opposite Clay and help out in the pass rush. We tried Brad Jones (lol in hindsight), we had that year with Zombo and Walden, drafted Perry in the 1st and even tried moving Mike Neal out there. Peppers finally gave us a guy who can give us good production aside from Clay in our pass rush.

    Are we really going to try to force a paycut on him to free up a few million in cap space? And for what, to pursue a FA we probably won't get anyways? It's also not like we have anyone major we need to resign this offseason that's going to break the bank either. I look at the list, and besides Crosby and maybe Raji none of those guys i would lose sleep over losing (though the depth a lot of those guys provide would be nice to keep around).

    I say just let him play out his contract, unless there is a high profile FA we want to pursue. In that case, ask him to restructure on the grounds that you will use that money to pursue a high level FA who you feel can help the team make a push for a superbowl run (and maybe even name drop who you have in mind).
     
  22. Mondio

    Mondio Cheesehead

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2014
    Messages:
    2,831
    Ratings:
    +1,795
    It would be nice to shave about 3 million or so off his cap number for us, but I think what he provides with the cap shape we're in, he doesn't put us in any bad positions. The more I think about it, the more I think he's back playing for the money they agreed to a couple years ago.
     
  23. Poppa San

    Poppa San SB I trophy First of four Staff Member Moderator

    Joined:
    Aug 29, 2010
    Messages:
    5,839
    Ratings:
    +1,631
    Boils down to TT being able to replace a pro bowl OLB for less than $8m for one year. I don't think he can. If JP restructures it's to add another year or two plus TT signing a high profile FA.
     
  24. tynimiller

    tynimiller Cheesehead

    Joined:
    May 2, 2012
    Messages:
    1,073
    Ratings:
    +331
    I want him back, but at his current contract hit I don't think it is smart. We'll see. If he feels the team is close and he can possibly taste a SB trip he will negotiate and be back...or maybe we cut him and he returns to Carolina for cheap exit tour?
     
    • Disagree Disagree x 1
  25. NelsonsLongCatch

    NelsonsLongCatch Cheesehead

    Joined:
    Dec 7, 2008
    Messages:
    2,697
    Ratings:
    +850
    They use the additional cap space for the free agents that never end up in Green Bay!
     

Share This Page