Parsons Trade

[milani]

Good point. The D was better last year than most, including me, give credit for. And it just got better.

While Clark lost a step as far as getting after the QB, he was very good against the run., and now he's gone The Packers seem to like UDFA Stackhouse a lot. I expect we'll see a lot of him playing as a NT, well if there is a NT in a 4-3. I really don't know.

Hafley knows his defensive unit has changed. I am sure he will adjust. Compensate to stop the run maybe knowing he has a destroyer on the end of the line he did not have before. Given the choice our D coach probably is happier with the present scenario than the previous one. Obviously, offenses will plan to attack our D differently. I know he is wise to that. I hated it when Capers would send Matthews on a 3 man rush only to get triple teamed and wonder why his secondary just gave up a 35 yard pass play.

 

[tynimiller]

Listen. There’s no right or wrong answers in this one. 100% merit to both sides of these arguments. You’ve heard me and also seen me list the numbers of players we could have with cumulative capital spent on a trade like this. I jumped on Chicago for doing this almost exactly same time of season 9/1/2018 So I fully understand the fiscal concern argument. Although they did go from 4th in Division to
#1 at 12-4 that year, then 3rd in 2019, 2nd in 2020. However they STARTED at 5-11 when they traded. Here’s my contention on the tie breaker on this decision and I said this prior to Jeremiah.

Daniel Jeremiah just said this in an interview I saw this morning and He’s not a Packer fan that I know of or does he concern himself with our debate. He’s objectively looking at it from BOTH cowboys and Packers sided.
He said for GM one of the most important criteria is knowing WHEN to make a push. Such as some teams are in complete rebuild or partial rebuild and Parsons trade would NOT be a good trade off. Some are in decline. Some teams are 1 maybe 2 true BLUE chip players from morphing into Elite level. He all but said this was Green Bay.

Our #1 weakness was our overall pass rush productivity. While we do have ascending players like LVN or Cox or Cooper, they aren’t deemed far enough along to wager a strong bet that they will shoot up the pass rush meter rather. One ranking I saw was GB was at 29th in pass rush and Rashan Gary didn’t break the top 40?? That’s an issue most would agree. Somewhere we got involved and still tied for #8 in sacks, but overall we were desperately needing to improve on D in that regard in order to compete with Eagles, Detroit etc. Brian was speculated to have reached out to multiple teams for attempts at a trade at DE. It just so happened we got lucky. Parsons hadn’t signed yet. Voila. Pass Rush solved. Just outside of GB understand the magnitude of this move, it’s just we’re hesitant inside to enjoy the ride (because it’s our wallet).

Ranking the NFL's Top Pass-Rushing Duos After Micah Parsons Trade

A look at the top pass rushing duos in the NFL after the Cowboys traded Micah Parsons to the Packers.

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We struggled getting home in the form of sacks, pass rush productivity we were not bad at all.

 

[BrokenArrow]

People really haven't watched Kenny play the last few years if theyre saying things like this

Right. Clark's value was as an interior pass rusher, not a run stopper. We now have a better pass rusher and can likely plug someone in the middle who will be a better run stopper.

 

[milani]

Having to account for both cap and dead cap hits on major contracts can cripple an NFL team for years. If you don't think Bahk, Alexander and Rodgers cap and dead cap hits didn't prevent the Packers from signing additional free agents or extending their own players, than I can't really explain to you how large dead cap hits, for players that are either not playing or aren't even on the team, can cripple the team. Of those 3 players, I would say Rodgers was the only one that the money paid out was justified in the end.

The Bahk money hurt the most. Because all was going so well up until that playoff game. Alexander was always beat up. And Rodgers was just on the very back end of his career.

 

[Deleted member 18607 aka in gute we trust]

Im not the one making **** up about players being upset

He changed his number from 22 to 0 after Micah was given #1. No one has ever worn 0 before in the history of the Packers. Characterize it however you want, MG made a power play, and I liked it.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Fun Micah Parsons stat i just saw Ben Solak (ESPN analyst) post: on first and second down, Parsons’ pressure rate since 2021 is 15.30%, best in the NFL. Second highest is Hendrickson at 11.80%. The distance between Parsons and Garrett(3rd) is as large as the difference between Garrett and Bud Dupree (63rd).

Bonus: Rashan Gary is 14th at 9.70%

 

[OldSchool101]

We struggled getting home in the form of sacks, pass rush productivity we were not bad at all.

Actually you have that backwards. It’s been a common misconception though throughout several forums I participate in.
The Packers ranked #26 in Pass Rush productivity (espn) but tied for 8th in Sacks. Micah is our answer for both. He ranked #3 (33%) in Pass Rush Win rate in the NFL. Only Danielle Hunter (36%) and Trey Hendrickson (34%) ranked ahead of him. Yet Skip said he was a slouch and disappeared last year? hmmmm

*another interesting area of accomplishment. Rashan Gary and Maxx Crosby tied for #1 in Run Stop Win Rate (37%) among All Edge Defenders. TJ Slaton ranked #1 against all DT in RSWR (36%)
That surprised me because I did not realize how efficient our players were on our Run D.
PFF widely disagreed with ESPN here, putting TJ well below average in overall Run Defense.

 

[gopkrs]

The Bahk money hurt the most. Because all was going so well up until that playoff game. Alexander was always beat up. And Rodgers was just on the very back end of his career.

And even more when we didn't have depth. We are paying more attention than in the past when we figured we would develop players. Certainly glad we changed that philosophy.

 

[gopkrs]

He changed his number from 22 to 0 after Micah was given #1. No one has ever worn 0 before in the history of the Packers. Characterize it however you want, MG made a power play, and I liked it.

I hope it's just having fun. I think 22 would have been a great number.

 

[pacmaniac]

Golden first wanted 2, and of course Malik had that. Then Golden asked if 1 was available, he was told about the Curly Lambeau unofficially retired number, as Reed was also told.

Micah Parsons is not some god. Get over that thought. He is not above any of his teammates.

Apparently they think Parsons is special enough to give him #1 when they told the others no.

 

[OldSchool101]

Apparently they think Parsons is special enough to give him #1 when they told the others no.

Yes. Or Matt told him casually after they decided on it that the expectation aligns with the #. No pressure!

 

[tynimiller]

Wonder how Jawill Davis escaped this much scrutiny in 2019 wearing the forbidden number?

 

[milani]

Actually you have that backwards. It’s been a common misconception though throughout several forums I participate in.
The Packers ranked #26 in Pass Rush productivity (espn) but tied for 8th in Sacks. Micah is our answer for both. He ranked #3 (33%) in Pass Rush Win rate in the NFL. Only Danielle Hunter (36%) and Trey Hendrickson (34%) ranked ahead of him. Yet Skip said he was a slouch and disappeared last year? hmmmm

*another interesting area of accomplishment. Rashan Gary and Maxx Crosby tied for #1 in Run Stop Win Rate (37%) among All Edge Defenders. TJ Slaton ranked #1 against all DT in RSWR (36%)
That surprised me because I did not realize how efficient our players were on our Run D.
PFF widely disagreed with ESPN here, putting TJ well below average in overall Run Defense.

It will take a bit before Parsons can be an impact. The back is fine but game stamina and learning the Hafley D will not happen in one week.

 

[mradtke66]

It will take a bit before Parsons can be an impact. The back is fine but game stamina and learning the Hafley D will not happen in one week.

The one good thing about DE is even if you’re new, “line up on the outside shoulder of the tackle and kill the quarterback” is a standard, universal 3rd down call.

 

[thequick12]

Watson is comming off tearing up his knee and Doubs is one concusion away from retirement. Even before the trade only one gets brought back at most

I think its increasingly possible that Doubs does in fact get traded around the deadline.

While I like him as a player, the concussion thing is a major issue. As well as the fact that he's unlikely to be resigned after the season anyways. If Watson returns and plays well idk that there are enough balls to go around in the passing game between Reed, Golden, Watson, Williams, Wicks, Kraft, and Musgrave if you keep Doubs in the mix

I thought it was kinda crazy when Bill Huber reported Aaron Rodgers called him personally a couple days before the Parsons trade and asked what it would take to aquire Doubs in a trade. Now it seems slightly less so

Wonder what his value would be?

 

[thequick12]

It will take a bit before Parsons can be an impact. The back is fine but game stamina and learning the Hafley D will not happen in one week.

Bet he gets at least 1 sack in game #1

 

[Deleted member 18607 aka in gute we trust]

I thought it was kinda crazy when Bill Huber reported Aaron Rodgers called him personally a couple days before the Parsons trade and asked what it would take to aquire Doubs in a trade. Now it seems slightly less so

Wonder what his value would be?

Huber was conducting an exclusive interview with Aaron for SI. Aaron didn't just call Huber out of the blue and ask what it "would take to acquire Doubs in a trade." During the interview discussing many things, Aaron asked about Rome. Aaron has spoken highly of "Rome" going back to when he was still in Green Bay.

Matt LaFleur confirmed the Packers are not trading Rome, when asked about the rumors: "I can tell you that is not going to happen." Gute has said basically the same thing. Could it happen at some point in the future? Sure, anything can happen, but as far as happening any time soon? No.

 

[Deleted member 18607 aka in gute we trust]

I hope it's just having fun. I think 22 would have been a great number.

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0 will be a fantastic number for Golden.

 

[RRyder]

He changed his number from 22 to 0 after Micah was given #1. No one has ever worn 0 before in the history of the Packers. Characterize it however you want, MG made a power play, and I liked it.

If you thought that Golden was going to go into the season wearing #22 then I have some property to sell you. Hopefully you didn't buy a jersey from China since GB wasn't selling them (because well he wasn't going to be wearing it for long)

And I didn't charactize it as anything. You did lol

A recently drafted player changing his number after final cuts happens a lot

 

[RRyder]

I think its increasingly possible that Doubs does in fact get traded around the deadline.

While I like him as a player, the concussion thing is a major issue. As well as the fact that he's unlikely to be resigned after the season anyways. If Watson returns and plays well idk that there are enough balls to go around in the passing game between Reed, Golden, Watson, Williams, Wicks, Kraft, and Musgrave if you keep Doubs in the mix

I thought it was kinda crazy when Bill Huber reported Aaron Rodgers called him personally a couple days before the Parsons trade and asked what it would take to aquire Doubs in a trade. Now it seems slightly less so

Wonder what his value would be?

Probably a day 3 pick id guess but honestly id look more into maybe getting a CB strait up for him

 

[Deleted member 18607 aka in gute we trust]

If you thought that Golden was going to go into the season wearing #22 then I have some property to sell you. Hopefully you didn't buy a jersey from China since GB wasn't selling them (because well he wasn't going to be wearing it for long)

And I didn't charactize it as anything. You did lol

A recently drafted player changing his number after final cuts happens a lot

Keep editing, you still are embarrassing yourself. Let's see how the next draft looks.

Too funny!

 

[Deleted member 18607 aka in gute we trust]

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[RRyder]

Keep editing, you still are embarrassing yourself. Let's see how the next draft looks.

Too funny!

Yeah because my edit to add extra to a post is embarrassing while you just came up with something in your head about why a player changed their number isnt

You can't be serious? lol

 

[Voyageur]

I mentioned that Parsons is not the kind of person who will come into a locker room and become everyone's friend. In fact, based on information I have, that came straight from the Cowboys locker room, he was considered an abbreviation for Richard. He was moody, and didn't really become part of the family of players, choosing to be an "It's all about me" person. Based on whom the person was who suggested this to me, I'm pretty darned confident it's true.

Now, that could be due to the Cowboys locker room itself. Maybe it wasn't conducive to players bonding. I didn't ask, and wasn't told that was the case. It left me believing it was more about him, and his own personality.

We're going to find out what kind of a presence he has in the Packers locker room real fast. There isn't a lot of time for them to hold hands and tip toe through the tulips together. It's all going to be hard work when Parsons hits the field with the rest of the team.

 

[OldSchool101]

It will take a bit before Parsons can be an impact. The back is fine but game stamina and learning the Hafley D will not happen in one week.

You’re right. He implied he’s playing Week1 but it’s up to our staff. He’ll be on a pitch count.