Parsons Trade

[Heyjoe4]

Oh. I thought Gluten was used because he stretched the dough (bread) out so good. I’ll have to rethink this.

Damn that's pretty good OS. Wish I had come up with that!

 

[Heyjoe4]

I hadn't heard about the hazing. I did hear about the diva and leadership stuff, which is somewhat concerning to me. I could see Dallas being the kind of place that breeds that behavior, but I'm not in denial that it doesn't and can't happen in Green Bay.

My hope is that we have strong enough veterans on this team (Gary, Tom, Clark, McKinney, etc.) that set the tone for attitude and behavior.

Yeah these attitude issues are concerning, but I agree that GB is a very different environment than Dallas, and second, this is a team devoted to each other and to winning. I think Parsons will be fine. Dallas has always been a circus.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Devine

Thx Pugger. What a horrible trade that was.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Yes. Though I have to admit. I never enjoy the ride unless we have a good season. But I don't agree with some about the past two years. We have been very good. Not underachieving. If we can stop the run as well as last year; we are going to be very tough to beat. And my feeling is that we will.

Good point. The D was better last year than most, including me, give credit for. And it just got better.

While Clark lost a step as far as getting after the QB, he was very good against the run., and now he's gone The Packers seem to like UDFA Stackhouse a lot. I expect we'll see a lot of him playing as a NT, well if there is a NT in a 4-3. I really don't know.

 

[DoURant]

Thanks Poker, much appreciated. And as you note, I've been referring to him this way for as long as I can remember. I think it was an accident. I'm pretty sure I wanted to type Gute or Gutey and Gluten just came out and it stuck. No one seems to mind, well most.....

And yes, it is not a sign of disrespect. In fact I have a lot of respect for him and how well he has handled the transition from Rodgers to Love so seamlessly. Not many GMs could have pulled that off. In fact, that had a lot with being in position for the Parsons' deal.

This is not... I repeat... This is Not, a Gluten Free Forum.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I’m also going to make a bold prediction. If Parsons and Gary stay healthy, they’ll give the feel of Derrick Thomas and Neil Smith. They were a formidable duo that many older guys remember rocked a KC logo.

To add to this, I expect Parsons presence will improve the play of Gary and LVN, and everyone else on the DL, hell probably even the DBs.

I wouldn't be surprised to see LVN line up in the middle, with Gary/Parsons as book ends.

 

[Deleted member 18607 aka in gute we trust]

Yeah these attitude issues are concerning, but I agree that GB is a very different environment than Dallas, and second, this is a team devoted to each other and to winning. I think Parsons will be fine. Dallas has always been a circus.

I want it known that there is going to be no Micah podcast during the season. Those type of distractions are not allowed here. Save those things for the offseason, the end.

Make things very clear to Micah from the jump, so there is no conflict or butthurt later. This is not Dallas.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Oh. I thought Gluten was used because he stretched the dough (bread) out so good. I’ll have to rethink this.

You need to have Ball(s) to do that!

 

[mradtke66]

I expect we'll see a lot of him playing as a NT, well if there is a NT in a 4-3. I really don't know.

There usually is. Most defenses these days are single-gaping for run defense. Those defenses align their linemen in a gap rather than head up.

At tackle, this normally means a 3T aligned on an OGs outside shoulder and a 1T aligned on the OCs outside shoulder. The 1T is typically a NT.

(As usual, this is over simplified and probably ignores nickel, etc)

 

[Voyageur]

Good stuff in this thread. Some of you are rising to the occasion, not giving out half-baked thoughts. It's all about the dough and the right environment to rise to the occasion.

I'd imagine Parsons is already breaking bread with some of the players. You need to butter up the guys you play with, so they don't leave you in a jam. That's the recipe for a sweet roll through the season.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I think your math is a little off here.

A 4 year $17M deal from 1993 is more equivalent to a 4 year $135M-ish contract in today’s money. No clue where you came up with the 38m for 4 years. ChatGPT?

Though Parsons is getting paid more, it is still fairly in line with player contracts of the same caliber.

I got the figure from this article. Possibly you are using "NFL Inflation and Salary Cap"?

Also, remember that when Reggie White was signed in 1993, there wasn't a salary Cap being used.

How much money did the Packers commit to Reggie White and Micah Parsons?​

• Reggie White signed for four years, $17 million. That's roughly $38 million today when accounting for inflation.
• Micah Parsons, after the trade, signed an extension worth four years, $188 million.

Reggie White vs. Micah Parsons: The tale of the tape on two major acquisitions

Here's the tale of the tape between two massive moves in Packers history: Acquiring Reggie White and Micah Parsons.

sports.yahoo.com

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Good stuff in this thread. Some of you are rising to the occasion, not giving out half-baked thoughts. It's all about the dough and the right environment to rise to the occasion.

I'd imagine Parsons is already breaking bread with some of the players. You need to butter up the guys you play with, so they don't leave you in a jam. That's the recipe for a sweet roll through the season.

You donut say?

 

[Voyageur]

You donut say?

Your eyes are glazed this morning. Did you go to the Badgers 5-set-win over Kansas in volleyball last night? So far it looks like a darned good rebuild off a team that lost so much through graduation and the portal. Colyer is the real deal, and Charlie has continued to improve her game. Gotta love Booth's game. There's more talent here than most people thought there would be. Kansas is tough. They lost to Penn State in 5-sets and could have won it if not for one error. Now, playing the Badgers tough. Both matches on the road. Good team, going to be hard to stop in the Big-12.

I'm anxious to see how much growth the Badgers get from this first game and win of the season against a ranked team. They played well to win. They just need to gain experience playing together.

 

[weeds]

Thx Pugger. What a horrible trade that was.

It was a horrible trade. BUT if memory serves me ... Hall was coming off of a HUGE season - I don't remember how HUGE ... NFL Player of the year in 73 ...and then oddly enough kinda hit the skids to start 74 ... and was traded to Green Bay shortly after losing to the Pack ... but yeah, Devine was a dipsh*t. Knew his days were numbered and had to WIN NOW - always a bad motivator.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Your eyes are glazed this morning. Did you go to the Badgers 5-set-win over Kansas in volleyball last night? So far it looks like a darned good rebuild off a team that lost so much through graduation and the portal. Colyer is the real deal, and Charlie has continued to improve her game. Gotta love Booth's game. There's more talent here than most people thought there would be. Kansas is tough. They lost to Penn State in 5-sets and could have won it if not for one error. Now, playing the Badgers tough. Both matches on the road. Good team, going to be hard to stop in the Big-12.

I'm anxious to see how much growth the Badgers get from this first game and win of the season against a ranked team. They played well to win. They just need to gain experience playing together.

No, but I watched it on TV.

I love this new team. So much more athletic and quicker than past teams. Colyer snapping up the opportunity to transfer to the Badgers will pay off big. She is basically Sarah Franklin in maybe a more athletic body. Her and Charlie have already established good chemistry. I can't say enough about Charlie. Before her career is done in WI, she is going to break some records.

Vajagic and Andrew were 2 players I totally forgot about and they looked good. Vajagic sat out last year with an injury and Andrew is a 5th year transfer from Baylor. I was really bummed when Lola Schumacher transferred but Kristen Simon looks like a really great libero and only a freshman.

I will be honest, since you mentioned Booth. Sadly, she kind of looked lost at times. She was staying pretty stationary in the middle, while her 5 teammates were flying around the court. She missed some easy kills and by the 3rd set it was noticeable that her teammates all but stopped feeding her the ball. Kind of reminded me Devin Robinson suddenly not fitting in. Hopefully, that will change. Booth is a solid blocker and a nice 2nd or 3rd option for a kill.

This is a pretty young team, if they can keep them together, could be a solid lineup for years to come.

I think the most impressive thing about last night was the chemistry. With all the new players, I figured that wouldn't start happening until mid to late Sep.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

This is a stretch….contracts have to all be considered relative to their time frames bud

Which I have pointed out several times. Both Hadl and Reggie White became Packers before the Salary Cap was a thing.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Splitting hairs--I'd say they earned their contract. They played outstanding to get it, therefore, they earned it.

Which is the biggest issue that I have with most Pro Sports. Players are paid based on previous performance. I wouldn't have a problem with that if none of the pay was guaranteed, but it is. Yet, as we have seen countless times in the NFL and other sports, their future play is not guaranteed and when it is less than expected, it can cripple a team.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Here is how Parsons contract looks. Looks like a planned 3 year deal and done.

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[longtimefan]

I hadn't heard about the hazing. I did hear about the diva and leadership stuff, which is somewhat concerning to me. I could see Dallas being the kind of place that breeds that behavior, but I'm not in denial that it doesn't and can't happen in Green Bay.

My hope is that we have strong enough veterans on this team (Gary, Tom, Clark, McKinney, etc.) that set the tone for attitude and behavior.

Packers now how a leadership counsel. This may help if there is any issues . Maybe Micha just wasn’t happy in Dallas.

Let’s just hope he isn’t a diva here because I think Packers did their due diligence to make sure he fits

 

[mradtke66]

Which is the biggest issue that I have with most Pro Sports. Players are paid based on previous performance. I wouldn't have a problem with that if none of the pay was guaranteed, but it is. Yet, as we have seen countless times in the NFL and other sports, their future play is not guaranteed and when it is less than expected, it can cripple a team.

I guess I don’t see cap issues as crippling a team unless you’re the saints and refuse to take your medicine for a year and continue to push out cap hits with signings.

Bhak’s injury hurt us, but we still had a competitive team. Sure, we missed thr Super Bowl that year, but infinite money could not have solve that problem. No one could have been signed.

Trading Rodgers hit us with a lot of dead cap. We still made the playoffs.

Trading Clark hit us with two years of medium dead cap. Jury is still out, but I’m not seeing how 18m and 17m of dead cap is going to kill us.

Where is this crippling you speak of? Can you give a specific example?

 

[Voyageur]

Here is how Parsons contract looks. Looks like a planned 3 year deal and done.

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I see it as a 3-year commitment too. Unless the cap doubled before 2028, I don't see a snowball's chance in a hot place that they'll keep him around. They'll take the cap hit both years and walk away.

The time is going to come where the NFL is going to have to stop allowing front money and long term payments of huge dollars for guys after they are no longer with the team. It's getting out of control.

 

[tynimiller]

Here is how Parsons contract looks. Looks like a planned 3 year deal and done.

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Honestly....that is a three year deal and EASILY walked away from then. CRAZY for the Packers structure wise. We have a SOLID 3 year window with him.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Honestly....that is a three year deal and EASILY walked away from then. CRAZY for the Packers structure wise. We have a SOLID 3 year window with him.

Yup and honestly, it makes me feel a whole lot better about this trade. I really haven't broken down the details and how they were able to fit it into THOSE favorable terms for the Packers, but the 3 years of cap hits and the dead cap remaining after those 3 years, is spectacular.

Ball and Gute pulled this deal off with this structure in mind. Definitely not as painful as initially thought (by me).

 

[BrokenArrow]

Packers now how a leadership counsel. This may help if there is any issues . Maybe Micha just wasn’t happy in Dallas.

Let’s just hope he isn’t a diva here because I think Packers did their due diligence to make sure he fits

The beauty of the whole thing is that this was such a bargain that even if he did become a problem (I don't see it) they can always trade him and probably get significantly more for him than we gave up. I could see us having him around 3 or 4 years, win a Lombardi or two and then put him on the block and get those two picks back and then some.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Honestly....that is a three year deal and EASILY walked away from then. CRAZY for the Packers structure wise. We have a SOLID 3 year window with him.

I did a little deep diving and this is kind of crazy. I have to think that Parsons rookie numbers were folded into his salary with the Packers. If I did the Math right, his cap hit for 3 years + the dead cap the Packers would get hit with if he was gone after year 3 is "only" $73.6526M. Which over 3 years is $24.55M/year.