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<blockquote data-quote="Thirteen Below" data-source="post: 1072175" data-attributes="member: 18006"><p>Honestly, it was practically <em>quadruple c</em>overage. There were no fewer than <em>5 </em>Browns within 5 or 6 yards of the ball; practically half their team. From Love's position behind the line, he was seeing a solid wall of those black and orange jerseys.</p><p></p><p>And yet, he threw it.</p><p></p><p>That was an amazingly risky and foolish decision, and it was completely unneccesary. The man sitting on the bench wearing a shirt with the number 19 on it is what is known as a "punter", and he is here for a reason. You're up by 7 with just 3 minutes to go; there is no need to force that pass into triple coverage. Give the ball back at around their own 30, and let your utterly exceptional defense do <em>their </em>part of the job. These are the things that truly elite teams do.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This is looking more and more like what I was afraid of all along. Mind you, I am not at all giving up on him, but I can't help seeing where he is at after all these years since he left college. And I'm more concerned now than I was in January 2024.</p><p></p><p>Have a look at these excerpts from the scouting reports in his draft year...</p><p></p><p></p><p>Sound familiar?</p><p></p><p>I'm not saying Love sucks or is a bust or anything like that. I want to make clear that absolutely I <em>still </em>believe he can be a Top 5 QB, I really do. And further, I don't just <em>believe </em>it - I think it is probable.</p><p></p><p>But not as probable as it seemed to me 18 months ago.</p><p></p><p>I know many other QBs have been where he is and still developed into truly great players, but two things... first, this is his 6th year in the system, being coached at the NFL level by what we believe are <em>exceptional </em>QB-developing coaches. And he is still making the exact same mistakes he was making 8 years ago as a sophomore and junior in college. Maybe not as often, but still showing the same tendencies when the pressure is on.</p><p></p><p>And 2nd.... if we fans are noticing that, it's a certainty that NFL defensive coordinators are noticing the same thing. They're watching the film, not just from the first couple of seasons with Green Bay, but also his college tape. And from that, they are learning which things he is better at (which are truly impressive), but also the things he still seems to fall back on over and over again at every level. And potentially the traits that are exploitable.</p><p></p><p>The first year or two, they had no real tape on him. But by this time, they have a lot. The things we ***** about after a bad game, you can bet they see too. And maybe it's just a question of whether he can evolve beyond those thing faster than other teams can scheme for them. Because every bad play he makes in a game is a clue for a DC on how to force him into that same situation, and capitlaize on it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Thirteen Below, post: 1072175, member: 18006"] Honestly, it was practically [I]quadruple c[/I]overage. There were no fewer than [I]5 [/I]Browns within 5 or 6 yards of the ball; practically half their team. From Love's position behind the line, he was seeing a solid wall of those black and orange jerseys. And yet, he threw it. That was an amazingly risky and foolish decision, and it was completely unneccesary. The man sitting on the bench wearing a shirt with the number 19 on it is what is known as a "punter", and he is here for a reason. You're up by 7 with just 3 minutes to go; there is no need to force that pass into triple coverage. Give the ball back at around their own 30, and let your utterly exceptional defense do [I]their [/I]part of the job. These are the things that truly elite teams do. This is looking more and more like what I was afraid of all along. Mind you, I am not at all giving up on him, but I can't help seeing where he is at after all these years since he left college. And I'm more concerned now than I was in January 2024. Have a look at these excerpts from the scouting reports in his draft year... Sound familiar? I'm not saying Love sucks or is a bust or anything like that. I want to make clear that absolutely I [I]still [/I]believe he can be a Top 5 QB, I really do. And further, I don't just [I]believe [/I]it - I think it is probable. But not as probable as it seemed to me 18 months ago. I know many other QBs have been where he is and still developed into truly great players, but two things... first, this is his 6th year in the system, being coached at the NFL level by what we believe are [I]exceptional [/I]QB-developing coaches. And he is still making the exact same mistakes he was making 8 years ago as a sophomore and junior in college. Maybe not as often, but still showing the same tendencies when the pressure is on. And 2nd.... if we fans are noticing that, it's a certainty that NFL defensive coordinators are noticing the same thing. They're watching the film, not just from the first couple of seasons with Green Bay, but also his college tape. And from that, they are learning which things he is better at (which are truly impressive), but also the things he still seems to fall back on over and over again at every level. And potentially the traits that are exploitable. The first year or two, they had no real tape on him. But by this time, they have a lot. The things we ***** about after a bad game, you can bet they see too. And maybe it's just a question of whether he can evolve beyond those thing faster than other teams can scheme for them. Because every bad play he makes in a game is a clue for a DC on how to force him into that same situation, and capitlaize on it. [/QUOTE]
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