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why you biased against Perry?
From this trade value chart (I used the one linked below only because it’s dated 2012 – if someone has a better one I’d be interested in seeing it) that trade would only get them up to about pick #187 in the 6th round. In fact the chart doesn’t even list a value for pick #235, I assigned it two points which is probably optimistic.
http://drafttek.com/tradechart.html
I made the same argument you’re making before last year’s draft. I reasoned that a Super Bowl winning and deep team didn’t need quantity, just quality so I expected Thompson to trade up and continue the trend of picking fewer and fewer picks each draft (9 to 8 to 7 from 2008 to 2010). So of course Thompson trades down three times in the last draft, picks 10 players and signs 15 UDFA! Don’t get me wrong, I can certainly see Thompson trading up this draft and even execute a more dramatic trade-up than you’re suggesting. But just like those who posted Thompson would not sign a UFA this off season (a reasonable idea based upon history), I am gaining humility in attempting to predict what Thompson will do. BTW, I view Thompson's unpredictability as a good thing.
And as I’ve posted before, I really don’t think Thompson knows for sure whether he’ll trade up, down, or stay put until he sees how the draft is actually playing out. I do think they look at talent tiers in the draft and that has a lot to do with trading picks.
Some are a bit small, but we've got the coaches to make just about anybody look good. So yes.You guys excited about the OLB prospects this year? Does seem a good class
why you biased against Perry?
Amen to that.To me he seems too robotic and not very instinctive. I don't think he can cover backs and TE's, meaning he's either a 3-4 pass rush specialist only or a 4-3 DE. Of course I could be wrong, this isn't an exact science. Heck, if Thompson picks him though he's probably a really good player and I will give him the benefit of the doubt until or if he proves that wrong.
You do realize that's exactly what I said only diagrammed right? I named our extra picks: 2 4's comp and 3 7's (2 of which are comp)
PLENTY of talent found in 6-7 rounds. I believe it was 08 but 'll have to check. Also by your logic there is no talent in the undrafted free agents because they would have been drafted otherwise.
Touche'I wouldn't say plenty but rather there is "some" talent in the 6-7th rounds. But looking back over many drafts since 2000 the talent dropoff is fairly dramatic after the 5th round. Yes, of course there is talent in undrafted free agents as well but the "hit" rate is even less there. These are not worthless picks but the fact that they're not worth much for trading purposes kinda bolsters my argument about the dropoff after the 5th round area. I think the 5th round is kinda the magic cutoff point for many teams in regards to whether or not its worth trading a player who's pretty good but they don't really want anymore.
Touche'
Just my way of saying "Good point!" I mean it in the most lighthearted of mannersThanks Hypon,
No touche' meant, just trying to articulate my opinion, for what ever its worth.
Just my way of saying "Well done, I concede the point!" I mean it in the most lighthearted of manners
Nope, I didn't realize that; sorry.You do realize that's exactly what I said only diagrammed right?
Nope, I didn't realize that; sorry.
Thompson has picked 24 players in the 6th and 7th rounds in seven drafts:
2005: Mike Montgomery, Craig Bragg, Kurt Campbell, and Will Whitticker.
2006: Johnny Jolly, Tyrone Culver, and Dave Tollefson.
2007: Korey Hall, Desmond Bishop, Mason Crosby, DeShaun Wynn, and Clark Harris.
2008: Matt Flynn and Brett Swain.
2009: Jarius Wynn, Brandon Underwood, and Brad Jones.
2010: James Starks and CJ Wilson.
2011: Caleb Schlauderaff, DJ Smith, Ricky Elmore, Ryan Taylor, Lawrence Guy.
There are some real diamonds in the rough there: Flynn, Bishop, and Crosby (ya he’s a PK but still…). Jolly would have been another IMO except for his unfortunate love affair with codeine. They may re-acquire Tollefson so he definitely counts on the positive side of the ledger. And James Starks is prototypical of a late pick IMO: You gamble such players can overcome whatever negative is obvious to every team, in his case, injuries. Some others like Hall, Wynn, Jones, and Wilson are “just guys” IMO.
Anyway, of course the talent thins out late in the draft. I didn’t include UDFAs but Thompson and his staff do a very good job finding players late in the draft and after.