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<blockquote data-quote="net" data-source="post: 23246" data-attributes="member: 200"><p>Couple of responses: regarding the corners: Al Harris still can bring it.</p><p>Joey Thomas has played little over 2 seasons and really is a rookie. Carroll has played more, but is a fundamental meathead. It's grin and bear it as both are going to play either as a "starter" or "nickel back" which plays nearly as much. One plays head on the #2 receiver from the other team, the other plays the #3. Bottom line is both are bad, right now, but Carroll's experience leans in his favor. But Thomas' size leans in his favor against taller receivers. Pick 'em.</p><p></p><p>Greg: What many folks on all Packer boards lack(based on my 45years following the team) is league-wide perspective on problems. The Vikings and Ravens had been picked by some to be in the Super Bowl. Both are 0-2, same as the Packers. I don't think Brian Billick became an idiot overnight(Tice always was an idiot but had good coordinators). Personnel makes more of a difference than coaching. Example: Mike Holmgren. He's the same guy that took Green Bay to two Super Bowls, yet hasn't come close in Seattle. Did he forget how to coach? No, he has poorer players to work with.</p><p>Example: Joe Gibbs. Is he now a doddering idiot after dominating the league before? No, he has fewer good players.</p><p>Example: Bill Parcells. Ditto, plus he doesn't have Bellichick as coach.</p><p></p><p>Why did Bellichick bomb badly in Cleveland but now is called the new Lombardi? Players.</p><p></p><p>Mike Sherman the GM left Mike Sherman the coach with the cupboards increasingly bare. Regardless of what the 'negativists' like PackIt say(he really wants the Packers to lose so he can be right) Sherman has won a majoritiy of his tenure here. The Bears have been up and down, the Vikings up and down, ditto the Lions...the Packers continued to win. In my lifetime, I can't remember a string of winning like it(dating back to Holmgren). Yet the fans are spoiled by the success. It isn't unlike the Yankees syndrome: they've won so much the fans think they're ENTITLED to victories. No victories....fire the coach. Sherman hasn't changed. What has changed is the personnel, mainly the defense.</p><p>My largest criticism to date is I think they farted around experimenting with people, that they never got the full team into a rhythm during the pre-season. By the time it happens, it could be too late. (The only saving grace is the North division teams are also struggling).</p><p>Enter Ted Thompson. Ted knows even with Favre, there aren't enough "blue"(top level) players to make this team a winner, so he decided to 'punt' his first season and begin the housecleaning. Keep in mind, if Sherman was the GM, the defense would look much differently, and I suspect he would have gotten rid of a few players to keep Rivera. But is that in the best long-term health of the team? No.</p><p>Sherman has been handed a bunch of rookies and fading veterans. One of the 'blues'-Walker- is gone. There are no 'blues' on defense. </p><p>Contrast the Super Bowl defensive line with this year's sorry unit(and that includes Kampman).</p><p></p><p>People make the difference and the team doesn't have enough good players to make the difference.</p><p></p><p>I agree with the change at GM, the changes, and don't like the losses. But a couple of years from now(regardless of who is coaching) we will be smiling.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="net, post: 23246, member: 200"] Couple of responses: regarding the corners: Al Harris still can bring it. Joey Thomas has played little over 2 seasons and really is a rookie. Carroll has played more, but is a fundamental meathead. It's grin and bear it as both are going to play either as a "starter" or "nickel back" which plays nearly as much. One plays head on the #2 receiver from the other team, the other plays the #3. Bottom line is both are bad, right now, but Carroll's experience leans in his favor. But Thomas' size leans in his favor against taller receivers. Pick 'em. Greg: What many folks on all Packer boards lack(based on my 45years following the team) is league-wide perspective on problems. The Vikings and Ravens had been picked by some to be in the Super Bowl. Both are 0-2, same as the Packers. I don't think Brian Billick became an idiot overnight(Tice always was an idiot but had good coordinators). Personnel makes more of a difference than coaching. Example: Mike Holmgren. He's the same guy that took Green Bay to two Super Bowls, yet hasn't come close in Seattle. Did he forget how to coach? No, he has poorer players to work with. Example: Joe Gibbs. Is he now a doddering idiot after dominating the league before? No, he has fewer good players. Example: Bill Parcells. Ditto, plus he doesn't have Bellichick as coach. Why did Bellichick bomb badly in Cleveland but now is called the new Lombardi? Players. Mike Sherman the GM left Mike Sherman the coach with the cupboards increasingly bare. Regardless of what the 'negativists' like PackIt say(he really wants the Packers to lose so he can be right) Sherman has won a majoritiy of his tenure here. The Bears have been up and down, the Vikings up and down, ditto the Lions...the Packers continued to win. In my lifetime, I can't remember a string of winning like it(dating back to Holmgren). Yet the fans are spoiled by the success. It isn't unlike the Yankees syndrome: they've won so much the fans think they're ENTITLED to victories. No victories....fire the coach. Sherman hasn't changed. What has changed is the personnel, mainly the defense. My largest criticism to date is I think they farted around experimenting with people, that they never got the full team into a rhythm during the pre-season. By the time it happens, it could be too late. (The only saving grace is the North division teams are also struggling). Enter Ted Thompson. Ted knows even with Favre, there aren't enough "blue"(top level) players to make this team a winner, so he decided to 'punt' his first season and begin the housecleaning. Keep in mind, if Sherman was the GM, the defense would look much differently, and I suspect he would have gotten rid of a few players to keep Rivera. But is that in the best long-term health of the team? No. Sherman has been handed a bunch of rookies and fading veterans. One of the 'blues'-Walker- is gone. There are no 'blues' on defense. Contrast the Super Bowl defensive line with this year's sorry unit(and that includes Kampman). People make the difference and the team doesn't have enough good players to make the difference. I agree with the change at GM, the changes, and don't like the losses. But a couple of years from now(regardless of who is coaching) we will be smiling. [/QUOTE]
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